Israel vs palestine another one to save other threads :O

[kev-o]

No 2000 years ago Roman tried to take you, Not Arabs.
Jews would still be Babylonian slaves if it weren't for the Iranians 2500 years ago who freed them and then let them return to Palestine, WITH their religion as long as they paid taxes, creating the frst religious rights ever- by Iranian king Darius I

But yes Israel should be allowed to exist, as does Palestine.

Irainians aren't arabs. And it was Cyrus the great, not Darius. Then Selucious
took over, then the Romans. Then around 300, Constantine made Xianity the state religion. Later on the Jews endured the Diaspora, in which the went to East Europe and Spain. The rise of Islam in the 600's and the Caliph takes the land from Eastern Roman Empire.....now here we are today.

[Eranshahr]

the many wars ended with ceacefires, which israel broke and now IF Palestine belongs to Israel then Israel is also comitting genocide against it's own population, the Arabs who are the minority. Israel is looking more and more like NAzi germany. accepting Israels genocide means accepting NAzi Germany's genocide too. As they are the same ****.

I ahve always had problems with that. Darius wrote the Human rights, But Cyrus united Iran right? Anyhow Both were great Iranians kings ( Persian blood) who elped the Jews many times, allowing them to exist with their religion, creating the first bond between Iranians and jews which is not going to be broken until the Jews wants it too, because we Iranians accept jews for what they are and we respect their territorial integrity. But we also support Palestinian territory so when Israel invades Palestine they are comitting many crimes. What the Jews must know is that blaming Iran and Iranians for their miseries is comitting a crime against history as we were those who did save them from their miseries, more than once.
I know Iranians aren't arabs the reaction I get when calling me arab, well I start a discussion which never ends til the opposite side gives up.

[kev-o]

There was a two state solution. If I recall, it was Israel that accepted it.

The palestinians are the ones that keep with the violence. The only thing they will accept is the complete removal of Israel and the establishment of a Palestinian state.

[Chaigidel]

which they will likely succeed in unless total vigilance is maintained--- but over all in the grand scheme the Israelis will simply be out populated, and pushed out by the pressures of humanity rather than one or two political groups.


In my estimation the jews have all allowances to maintain survival.

[Rush Limbaugh]

What my post meant, and if you read it properly, was that Israel took over Palestinian lands unjustly and irrationally. While trying to quell the Arab nations in the 6 Day War, they just formed a new one without even looking into who they were taking over.

Its called war and it went both ways. Its not as simple as you make it seem.

Iran gives Palestine 35 million dollars a month, half of what is needed. Syria is giving probably 10 million. It is not enough, Palestinians are starving just because of western and Arab nations!

Palestine gets more aid per capita than any nation in the world. Their starving because they are fighting a stupid war that they cant win. Where only the leaders ever make out just like in the rest of the region.

IF Palestine belongs to Israel then Israel is also comitting genocide against it's own population, the Arabs who are the minority.

2 million Arabs are citizens of Israel. Some genocide. Besides we all know in reality all you all are really concerned about is that it be a Muslim nation. The nationality is of no great concern in this matter.

[Centurion-Lucius-Vorenus]

The palestinians can takes their behinds to arabia. The Saudis don't need all that sand.

And why do the Israelis need the west bank ? Why do they need gaza ?

There was a two state solution. If I recall, it was Israel that accepted it.

The palestinians are the ones that keep with the violence. The only thing they will accept is the complete removal of Israel and the establishment of a Palestinian state.

And what of Israeli's cruelty towards palestinians ? Not even mentioning thier counter-terrorism tactics which kills more innocents then it does real threats. Which in the end breeds more terrorism then it destroys.

[Rush Limbaugh]

And why do the Israelis need the west bank ? Why do they need gaza ?

Why does anyone?

[Centurion-Lucius-Vorenus]

Why does anyone?

So why does Israel need to Control it ?

[kev-o]

Not even mentioning thier counter-terrorism tactics which kills more innocents then it does real threats. Which in the end breeds more terrorism then it destroys.

They won't fight conventionally. They hit and run and hide behind there own people. That is there own fault if there are civ causulties. The Palestinians hide behind there families and use the deaths as an excuse to do more attacks. If they would fight and have HQs like any normal army, then there wouldn't be civ deaths.

[Rush Limbaugh]

So why does Israel need to Control it ?

maybe you hadnt noticed but they gave back Gazza long ago even though they didnt have to. And why should they control Judea? Lets use its real name ok? I used to strongly favor an independent Palestinian state . But Im afraid Im starting to change my mind. Dont these people know when theve lost and when their being used?

[Miraj]

Judea??? Are you serious? Its been 5000 years since the fictional events of the bible. Get over it.

[Centurion-Lucius-Vorenus]

They won't fight conventionally. They hit and run and hide behind there own people. That is there own fault if there are civ causulties. The Palestinians hide behind there families and use the deaths as an excuse to do more attacks. If they would fight and have HQs like any normal army, then there wouldn't be civ deaths.

And how else do you suggest they fight ? Thats thier only hope, Saying that they should fight otherwise is un-realistic and romantic.

maybe you hadnt noticed but they gave back Gazza long ago even though they didnt have to. And why should they control Judea? Lets use its real name ok? I used to strongly favor an independent Palestinian state . But Im afraid Im starting to change my mind. Dont these people know when theve lost and when their being used?

JUDEA ? ARE YOU KIDDING ME ? Thats BEYOND riduculous. If we did that then we would start calling Long Island Paumanok. And Gaza is not the same as the west bank, so unless your geographically challenged i dont see how you can confuse them.

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

In other news, Mongolians want their 500 year old empire back because they gained it with their blood and sweat and surely, the aid of the gods. Muslims, who ruled India for more than 1,200 years also want New Delhi as their South Asian capital because they're the ones who developed the city in the first place. Moreover, since god controls everything, they were given India by him so it's their natural right to inherit their old kingdom.

I wonder when the Apache will demand their share ... Oh wait, they have casinos now, so it's Ok. Phew, almost forgot.

I sound just as ridiculous as the Judeans and everyone else now ^^
It's nice to fit in.

[Rush Limbaugh]

Judea??? Are you serious? Its been 5000 years since the fictional events of the bible. Get over it.

It was called Judea until 1947 LOL

[Miraj]

It was called Judea until 1947 LOL

Prove it.

[Centurion-Lucius-Vorenus]

It was called Judea until 1947 LOL

Umm No, Even the Byzantines who were Christians called it "Palaestina."

[STReetSamurai]

Isn't that kind of a stupid thing to say? all three of you I mean, everyone called it different things. I don't call it Israel or Palestine I call it a ****ing mess. (that was an example)

[Miraj]

Exactly, the word Judea is less relevant to the region as the word "Gaul" is relevant to france or "Pict" is relevant to Scotland. A distant memory and perhaps even a fictional one.

[Miraj]

Isn't that kind of a stupid thing to say? all three of you I mean, everyone called it different things. I don't call it Israel or Palestine I call it a ****ing mess. (that was an example)

No its relevant. Its like the Dutch calling New York "New Amsterdam" in an effort to take the city back from its American' inhabitants. Calling the place "Judea" is 10X more stupid and stupidity like that needs to be called out.

[Judean Rebel]

5000? 2000 maby when romans perished us.
you comparing us to nazi's? god bless you my friend if you only knew what nazi's did to my family you could not sleep at night.
im not saying what we are doing to arabs now is ok but we have no choice we are 6 million agains god knows how many. hey and what about what u.s did in afganistan and iraq, you dont even know, talking about counter terrorism...
your words aint helping peace only war you can close this thread i can no longer read your stupidity.

And btw Judea is the name of the region near jerusalem, we dont need to prove anything this is the name.