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    After posting a bit in an abortion thread about the parallels of humans and animals and sexual behavior, I thought I would create a topic about it.

    Why do people think sex is an act meant for marriage? Do animals, other than chimpanzees, bonobos, dolphins, and humans have sex because they enjoy it?

    It seems to me people refuse to give any animal human-emotions and traits. Some refuse to believe animals can have pleasure, institutionalized fear (its parents tell it to be afraid of something, so it is, and for no other reason), or sex for pleasure.

    I believe animals do possess the capability to have sex just because they would like to. In fact, I'd go as far to say as many animals (especially mammals) would have sex more often except for the vulnerable position they are in while engaging.

    Sex for Pleasure


    Pleasure and Fear - What is it and what causes it?

    Before I speak about whether or not an act of sex pleases an animal or not, perhaps we should discuss what pleasure is. Pleasure I believe is part of a spectrum that incorporates "pleasure" on one end, and "fear" on the other. Pleasure or happiness is a result of a trigger in the brain from the chemical "dopamine". In increased levels, it will give people (and probably other animals as well) a good feeling we call happiness. Fear is the emotion that deals with danger. It is believed that fear is caused by adrenalin and cortisol.

    The Role of Pleasure and Fear

    I believe pleasure is the biological reward for a species doing a behavior that is or is thought to be healthy e.x: eating, playing, sleeping, procreation. When we eat foods that taste good, they are generally healthy for us, and we feel happy. When we eat foods that are not good for us, our body will not give that same response. Why? It's my belief that this is due to that the large amount of things that don't taste good, aren't supposed to be eaten. I can't think of one thing that isn't edible, but tastes good.

    I believe fear is the biological response for a species doing a behavior that is unhealthy e.x: being somewhere you don't belong, being chased by someone intending to harm you, covering a lie. Fear, as well as pleasure, can be institutionalized or taught by the members of its family or species, or even itself. This would explain the amount of "silly" philias or fears. Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia, for instance, is the fear of large words. I've never been harmed by a word itself.

    What does this have to do with animals and sex?

    Animals generally aren't observed having sex unless it is mating season, where a female gives off a signal to the males to indicate she is ready for sex -- usually chemical.

    There are only a few animals that humans have scientifically hypothesized or proven have sex for purposes other than to create offspring. These animals are the bonobo, chimpanzee, dolophin, and human. However, if these four animals have sex for pleasure, why can't any other animal? How would we know it has sex for pleasure, since it can't tell us that it enjoys sex. Animals, besides humans, show little evidence of knowing that the action of sex is the reason why offspring are created. So, if they don't know this will make offspring, and the female isn't fertile, why would an animal have sex outside of breeding?

    I believe they do it because they enjoy it. Triggering an orgasm is a reward because the primary objective of an orgasm is to help the fertilization of an egg. In a male, it is intended to ejaculate/shoot out of the penis into the female vagina. The female orgasm is intended for the muscles in the wall of the vagina to spasm, and send the sperm further into the womb.

    What if animals decided that because sexual acts feel good, they would do them more often. It would promote sex in the species, beyond a chemical response. Sure, it's not a perfect system in that there is no logical reason for an animal, human or not, to have sex when a female is not fertile but it does happen. Perhaps our bodies weren't intended to have sex for recreation, but it happens nonetheless. Perhaps animals have recreational sex for another purpose we're not aware of.

    Homosexuality

    Homosexuality in Humans

    Common society today considers homosexuality amongst humans to be taboo, and sometimes damnable act by their deities. Some non-religious basis for their objection is that homosexuality can not result in offspring. Males don't possess eggs, so can't fertilize each other while females don't possess sperm, so can't fertilize each other as well. There have been concerns amongst heterosexuals that homosexuals are unable to provide a healthy family atmosphere for raising a child if a female were to be artificially inseminated or if a homosexual couple adopts a child. They often contend that raising a child in a home with homosexual guardians will result in the child itself becoming homosexual. Is there justification outside religious texts for the taboo of homosexuality?

    Cases of Animal Homosexuality in Mammals

    Is it taboo or unholy for an animal to engage in homosexual acts since it is not given the credit of having a conscience or beliefs? There have been many animals recorded to have homosexual intercourse and outercourse; cases of homosexuality seem to occur predominantly in marine birds and mammals, especially primates.

    In dolphins, Georgetown Professor Janet Mann has theorized that homosexuality is an evolutionary advantage that minimizes aggression amongst males of their species.

    Male American Bison have been known to anally penetrate each other, while female cattle have been known to mount each other.

    Approximately 8% of male bighorn sheep have been recorded to prefer male mates over even when given a choice. Homosexual behavior amongst male rams is associated with variations of cerebral mass distribution and chemical activity.

    Primates are the biggest proprietors of homosexuality in the animal kingdom -- this would include humans. Many species of apes, particularly bonobos, have been recorded to exhibit hermaphroditic traits. Frans de Waal, who studied and wrote about bonobos says, "Same-sex, opposite-sex — bonobos just love sex play. They have so much sex, it gets boring."

    Cases of Homosexuality in Birds

    Penguins are a very interesting case when it comes to homosexuality that may perhaps dispel some humans' reason for the harm of homosexuality. Male penguin couples have been recorded in many instances to mimic the roles we associated with a human mother and father today -- parenthood. They have been documented in the wild to use stones as surrogate eggs in building a nest and brooding (laying upon the egg to keep it warm). When they have been placed with an egg of a baby penguin, they nest and brood it, and then when it hatches, raise the penguin as their own offspring. Zoologists in Germany have even attempted to import female penguins from Sweden to replace a male in a homosexual relationship. They said that their attempts were unsuccessful because perhaps the bonds were too strong amongst the couples.

    Swans are also strikingly similar to penguins when it comes to homosexual partnerships. Probably the most amazing case is with the Australian Black Swan in its male-male relationship tendencies. It has been observed that homosexual male swans will form temporary threesomes with a female swan, then chase her off the eggs after she lays them. It's been recorded that more of their hatchlings survive when compared to heterosexual couples perhaps because of their greater ability to defend a wider area. Male homosexual relationships aren't the only type of homosexual relationships in the species. In Boston, two swans had tried to hatch an egg. They failed in doing so, when it was discovered the egg did not hatch because it was not fertilized, because both swans were female.

    In another study, it has been observed that 10-15% of females western gulls prefer other female gulls.

    I did a little bit of searching online, and found a remarkable study of mallard ducks. I read that 19% of mallard couples consist of two males. While that in itself isn't particularly amazing when compared to the previous stories of homosexuality. I read a story about a very strange level of homosexual intercourse between two mallard ducks. In Rotterdam, two mallard ducks were in flight, and the one in front flew into the window of the Natuurhistorisch Museum Rotterdam (Natural History Museum of Rotterdam). After it fell to the ground dead, the second mallard landed beside it. The live mallard duck had intercourse for 75 minutes straight with the dead corpse of the duck with only short breaks in between. It finally was stopped when the man who witnessed this, C.W. Moeliker, chased the live mallard off. It was confirmed in a dissection that the dead duck was indeed a male. Needless to say, this was the first case of homosexual necrophilia in mallard ducks. It is believed that the dead mallard was flying away from an "attempted rape flight". This story won him a Nobel Prize. Here are two pictures taken by C.W. Moeliker.



    Sexuality Outside Heterosexuality and Homosexuality

    Animal Pornography, For Animals

    Sometimes it is completely amazing how similar other animals are to humans. A study at Duke University has observed that apes will give up privileges (namely juice) to instead view pictures of female's hindquarters. However, the researchers stress that these observations that they want to look at the pictures solely for sexual arousal and that they have greater social utility. There are reports, however, that watching sex in real life might have that effect on apes.

    Similar experiments have been done with pandas, as many zookeepers have experienced difficulty when trying to have pandas breed. They claim that showing them pictures of pandas has helped the population increase of pandas in zoos.

    :wub:
    Although not commonly witnessed, primates have been known to :wub: with objects that aren't particularly sexual. Non-human primates are similar to humans when it comes to sexual fetishes, as they are able to give inanimate objects sexual meanings. Thus Gabriel, a chimpanzee at the Southwest National Primate Research Center, is said to have a shoe or leather fetish; this was clearly obvious when it :wub:d excessively by rubbing his master's shoe on his penis. Orangutans have been observed to creatively make rudimentary dildos out of bark or wood.

    Stallions are known to form what seems to be similar to a fetish by becoming erect when near an area it has breed in, or when it spots something that sexually excites it such as an artificial vagina. This can often result in a stallion ejaculating when not around another horse. It should be noted that it also happens often in stallions regardless of sexual stimuli. This case could more or less be simply the exhibiting of the Pavlovian "condition response" with a "designated reward" In this case, it will ejaculate because it feels good.

    Other animals such as sheep, deer, killer whales, and penguins have been known to :wub:, both males and females.



    Conclusion

    Why are we, as humans, unable to give animals many of the same traits that we identify with ourselves or other humans? Is it that we wish to not view ourselves as merely animals, albeitly highly intelligent ones? Does it take away the romanticism that we associate with ourselves such as divine things such as "true love" that is not an effect of pheromones, or that we do not believe "lowly creatures" such as sheep could be so similar to us?

    What do you guys think? I hope I didn't write this in vain!

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    I do not agree .Any form of hypersexuality resulting in homosexualism or :wub: may just be a result of hyperexcessive sexual desire and overproduction of testosterone . Which can't be controlled at a moment and the male active animal starts spewing it all over there what first attracts its attention .Anything that might resemble a female .Even a hole in a tree or a reflection of something .
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    Felicissimus is wrong. Bonobos routinely engage in bisexual behaviour. Homosexuality has been observed in animals such as penguins and flamingos despite females being liberally available.

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    That's not how I introduce her, but yeah. Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by felicissimus View Post
    I do not agree .Any form of hypersexuality resulting in homosexualism or :wub: may just be a result of hyperexcessive sexual desire and overproduction of testosterone . Which can't be controlled at a moment and the male active animal starts spewing it all over there what first attracts its attention .Anything that might resemble a female .Even a hole in a tree or a reflection of something .
    Except females, both human and animal, engage in :wub: and homosexuality.

    I want you to prove that gays, both male and female, and anyone who :wub:s have abnormally high testosterone levels.

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    I dont think there is any dispute that humans are infact animals; animals with a large cerebrum granted so that we can lay all kinds of layers of meaning and reasons upon the basic directive of reproduction which our genes profess to us in every fiber of our being.

    sexuality including bisexual and homosexual behavior is all biological, not a choice--- you WILL have urges of a sexual nature based upon what your mind has attached upon as sexual; it probably has alot to do with hormonal balances and the way in which you detect hormones.

    So to speak if ones mind was to perceive a sexual partner, you realize that your nostrils are actually taking in pheramones being given off by those of the same and opposite sex, these hormones are thought to arouse interest in sexuality--- now if the brain recognizes male hormones as the ones to "charge up on" then you will be aroused by men, etc etc so its entirely NOT a choice--- animals are animals; the only thing that seperates the Human Being from the animal is the resistance we provide to the animal nature within ourselves--

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    Quote Originally Posted by felicissimus View Post
    So you admit you need one,ah ?
    Since you brought up the topic these are the gay flamingos at the WWT reserve that my girlfriend works at.

    http://www.wwt.org.uk/article/3/221/...m_and_dad.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaigidel View Post
    So to speak if ones mind was to perceive a sexual partner, you realize that your nostrils are actually taking in pheramones being given off by those of the same and opposite sex, these hormones are thought to arouse interest in sexuality--- now if the brain recognizes male hormones as the ones to "charge up on" then you will be aroused by men, etc etc so its entirely NOT a choice--- animals are animals; the only thing that seperates the Human Being from the animal is the resistance we provide to the animal nature within ourselves--
    It's inpossible .There are too many around that have been in their life both hetero and homo-sexual . How can they change if it is of feromones ?
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    thats because we have a mind which can make choices beyond the physicality-- we recognize all flesh can bring pleasure so people begin to not recognize the difference in flesh so to speak-- but the original urge which allows you to become aroused by someone of the same sex is not a choice---

    I cannot become aroused by homosexual acts, nor by viewing them ; therefore I am not a homosexual--- this is not because of a choice it is because my body wont allow me to be homosexual-- I only respond to females again this is not a choice; it is merely the way my body reacts to natural processes.

    homosexuality is biology not choice.

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    HEY WHERE'D MY MATE FELICISSIMUS GO?

    I was about to ask - if :wub: = hypersexuality then how come 99.9% of males on the planet and a high percentage of females do it?

    Too late I GUESS

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    Evading a suspension in such an obvious way will end in tears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Evading a suspension in such an obvious way will end in tears.
    Ah, thankyou Ferrets, I noticed

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    In Rotterdam, two mallard ducks were in flight, and the one in front flew into the window of the Natuurhistorisch Museum Rotterdam (Natural History Museum of Rotterdam). After it fell to the ground dead, the second mallard landed beside it. The live mallard duck had intercourse for 75 minutes straight with the dead corpse of the duck with only short breaks in between. It finally was stopped when the man who witnessed this, C.W. Moeliker, chased the live mallard off. It was confirmed in a dissection that the dead duck was indeed a male. Needless to say, this was the first case of homosexual necrophilia in mallard ducks. It is believed that the dead mallard was flying away from an "attempted rape flight". This story won him a Nobel Prize.
    That is one seriously confused duck. And now it will be out there killing and raping other vulnerable young boy-ducks, all because Moeliker didn't have the guts to arrest it in case it said "YOU want some of this too?!"
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    Well I have seen a female Pig attempt to hump another female pig.

    As well as Male Dogs attempting to hump everything from legs, to male dogs, to male cats, to stuffed animals.

    So I'll let you guys decided for yourselves what these observations mean.

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    Speaking from a religious point of view, sexual acts are deemed for marriage only due to the fact sexual activity spawns children. If one is not married and a child is born, then what becomes of the child? How will the child be raised? And a lot of times, could damage the child mentally.

    As for homosexuality in religion, it is banned because as humans we are told by God to control our actions as we have higher intellect and self restraint than animals. These two human features separate us from animals and without them, we would be only animals.

    I hope I answered some of your questions.

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    Your point about homosexuality only begs the question, not answers it. God tells us to control our actions and gives up self-restraint - fine - that is why we are forbidden to kill each other when we feel like it, or rape each other because it would feel good, etc...because these are clearly bad things because they harm people. It doesn't explain why you would include homosexuality in this category at the same time - which hurts no-one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cluny the Scourge View Post
    Your point about homosexuality only begs the question, not answers it. God tells us to control our actions and gives up self-restraint - fine - that is why we are forbidden to kill each other when we feel like it, or rape each other because it would feel good, etc...because these are clearly bad things because they harm people. It doesn't explain why you would include homosexuality in this category at the same time - which hurts no-one.
    The purpose of sexual intercourse is to reproduce, correct? Thereby, allowing homosexual urges to take over your body would mean you are losing your self restraint and this would mean that you are losing something which God has given you for a reason.

    Salaam bro,
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterAdnin View Post
    The purpose of sexual intercourse is to reproduce, correct? Thereby, allowing homosexual urges to take over your body would mean you are losing your self restraint and this would mean that you are losing something which God has given you for a reason.

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    No, one of the purposes of sex is to reproduce. Another is social bonding, which is heavily documented.

    But... this line of argument always makes me question. Homosexuality is losing self restraint, right? So then do you feel like you have to restrain yourself from homosexual urges?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterAdnin View Post
    The purpose of sexual intercourse is to reproduce, correct?
    Is that why one female pig tried to hump another? For reproduction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendylyn View Post
    But... this line of argument always makes me question. Homosexuality is losing self restraint, right? So then do you feel like you have to restrain yourself from homosexual urges?
    Are you speaking to me? Or in general? For me, no, I do not have to restrain myself as I am not a homosexual. I am attracted to girls. As for those who are homosexual, from a religious point of view, yes, they must restrain themselves from homosexual urges.
    Quote Originally Posted by Earl of Rochester View Post
    Is that why one female pig tried to hump another? For reproduction?
    Again, this is why god has given us self restraint and intellect. To differentiate us from animals.

    Salaam bros and sistas,
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