Diplomacy sucks so bad...

**Arcani 4 Ever** · September 03, 2013, 05:33 PM

No matter how strong you are, every single diplomatic treaty i've had does not work. In the end you have to pay to make them accept treaties. Even if they are very friendly to you or allied to you. It is ridiculous how bad diplomacy is on Rome II.

On my 3 play through so far i have suffered rejected proposal time and time again. My campaign as Rome, despite having powerful armies, conquering 3 provinces and having Syracuse as an ally i decided to start trading with them. But no, in the end i have to pay 5000 for them to accept the deal. In the end i didn't pay and decided to conquer them outright.

On my athens, Economic campaign. I was really annoyed by diplomacy. In the end i decided to halt the play through until CA fixes this mess.

And then on my other Egypt let's play i had the same issue. Diplomacy sucks...even Shogun 2 had better diplomacy than Rome II

**Lord Kurst** · September 03, 2013, 05:46 PM

No it sucks for YOU. Diplomacy, for once, is amazing. As Athens I have a trade agreement with Egypt for no cost, same with Madecon. Egypt also requested a Non-Agression Pact and gave ME money if I accepted. Sparta requested to be my allies and later requested and paid me to go to war with Epirus. If you don't want to lose money then just forget about making deals with other factions. Try to strengthen relationships first THEN go to diplomacy.

**Niccolo Machiavelli** · September 03, 2013, 05:49 PM

From my experience, diplomacy 'worked' to some extent - only played a couple of hours as Suebi thus far (VH difficulty - skipped the tutorial so wanted an option to relaod in order to try things to learn the game, didn't need it thus far though) and easily managed to get the Marcomanni to declare war on my enemy and form a confederation with me and formed multiple NAPs (even with gaul factions).

However, AI factions appear to be extremely reluctant to make trade agreements, which is a tad odd as such an agreement should benefit both sides without any drawbacks - maybe it's because I don't have much to trade yet - time will tell.

**Ashu-Siralis** · September 03, 2013, 05:51 PM

At mid levels it's ok. At higher levels (I'm doing my Parthia LP on Very Hard), it's almost undoable. They make all the factions super duper unfriendly.

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**Jom** · September 03, 2013, 05:52 PM

I've had nearby single-province factions requesting to become clients of mine because they're scared of their neighbours. That's not happened in any other TW game and I like it, as tribes would often appeal to Rome for protection.

**Keithzor.** · September 03, 2013, 05:54 PM

Works fine with Sparta.

**Pope Gregorius I** · September 03, 2013, 05:58 PM

did anyone find out how to manually set the amount of denarii for payments? for me its based solely on increments of 500 and on your total treasury...

**brandbll** · September 03, 2013, 06:06 PM

I've had the same problem. Getting someone to do anything in my Carthage campaign was like pulling teeth. Hell, i even offered to take car of Epirus' Sparta problem and they still rejected it only to be wiped out two turns later. The only two factions that wanted anything to do with me were Libya nad carthago Nov and I'd have been better off conquering both of them.

**AlexCouceiro** · September 03, 2013, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Arcani 4 Ever

No matter how strong you are, every single diplomatic treaty i've had does not work. In the end you have to pay to make them accept treaties. Even if they are very friendly to you or allied to you. It is ridiculous how bad diplomacy is on Rome II.

On my 3 play through so far i have suffered rejected proposal time and time again. My campaign as Rome, despite having powerful armies, conquering 3 provinces and having Syracuse as an ally i decided to start trading with them. But no, in the end i have to pay 5000 for them to accept the deal. In the end i didn't pay and decided to conquer them outright.

On my athens, Economic campaign. I was really annoyed by diplomacy. In the end i decided to halt the play through until CA fixes this mess.

And then on my other Egypt let's play i had the same issue. Diplomacy sucks...even Shogun 2 had better diplomacy than Rome II

Diplomacy is broken on harder difficulties. One way or another, the AI will always beat you. If you want diplomacy to seek its natural flow, then play on Medium. But then you will probably find the game too easy and boring. Well, as I hate broken diplomacy, I usually set TW vanilla games to Medium/Hard until mods come out.

Wait for mods. What sensible modders will do is giving the AI all the bonuses it naturally receives on Hard, EXCEPT for the broken diplomatic system. Which means the diplomacy employed will be the same one used on Medium CAI mode.

**andymate** · September 03, 2013, 07:52 PM

Diplomacy works better for me. As Rome i have 6 non aggression pacts and 7 trading partners. I am working on allying myself with some Greek nations

**RedGuard** · September 03, 2013, 08:00 PM

having problems getting trade agreements as rome and have to resort to bribes to get them to accept, I think it also may have a lot to do with your family too though

**Grimbold** · September 03, 2013, 08:06 PM

What i don't understand is how the player automatically has trade agreements with factions he just encountered.

On my sparta campaign i was just chilling in greece dealing with Athens and Epirus and then when i come in contact with the factions on western anatolia, i already have said deals with them.

Not a complaint really, but it limits what i can do since the chances of gettings other kinds of deals are low

**♘Top Hat Zebra** · September 03, 2013, 08:12 PM

How do people get trade agreements?

I've been playing an Iceni campaign, and I have only one trade agreement, which another faction offered me, but demanded that I give them 5000 denarii first.

No one else would ever get anywhere near accepting trade with me. In fact, I control the entire island, and a tiny, one-province German tribe will not even accept a peace deal (Which it is desperately trying to get) if I demand a trade agreement.

**Jonesy_lmao** · September 03, 2013, 08:13 PM

I'm siding with the OP here. Although it can be done under the right circumstances, more often than not all diplomacy agreements are rejected, even if it is a good idea or mutually beneficial.

Wouldn't mind people being more friendly. Eg one tribe was at war with a tribe I was at war with, yet they wouldn't accept even a simple trade agreement after despite the war increasing my relations.

**Mwulf** · September 03, 2013, 08:19 PM

I think the quality of diplomacy may be affected by difficulty level.

I've only played the Grand Campaign for a little bit on normal, but my experience has been pretty bad. Or good, depending. The only universally "bad" thing I've encountered was the everyone wanted a huge amount of money for trade agreements--way more than I could afford. So I used CheatEngine to give myself more momeny, and guess what? They ask for a percentage. So if I gave myself 100,000 money, they'd ask for 90,000. Crazy.

The more "theoretically good but practically bad" stuff, I think, deserves it's own thread, so that's what I'll do.