Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

[Ybbon]

Strayed off-topic there people, there's more than enough subject matter with Brexit not to need to discussing 60's politicians as well.

[mongrel]

On topic.

The Civil Contingencies Act 2004 gives Government with powers to create emergency regulations to deal with emergencies that threaten “serious damage to human welfare”, or that threaten damage to the environment or the security of the UK. Damage to human welfare is defined in the Act to include disruption to transport networks or to the supply of food, money, energy, or health services.

Operation Yellowhammer says that all of the above is likely to happen. Would anyone here trust Boris to rule by Ministerial direction, abeit limited to 30 days per decree? There isn't a Tory equivalent of Herbert von Bose.

https://researchbriefings.parliament...034#fullreport

[Love Mountain]

I don't take Boris to be the kind of person to choose country over politics. Especially when a no deal brexit is not an existential crisis. It might not even end his political career, the people will be too busy trying to assign blame and the politicians will be happy to point fingers.

[Daruwind]

Not sure about Boris future. He was so blatantly talking about dealing with EU and 31st October that not leaving might be quite damaging to his political career. If not about voters, definitely among politicians.

Now this sounds like yet another way how to push through brexit. Because he has no other political plan. Just wrap it as "protecting democracy" no matter that is is just spitting on democracy (you know,parliament majority which he lost).

Still EU is probably willing to offer retrospective extension so there is no difference if no deal would happen due to one shady way or another...

[Morticia Iunia Bruti]

As typical for right-wing populists Boris faces now accusations of corruption:

Exclusive: Boris Johnson overruled officials to take friend Jennifer Arcuri on jet set trade missions

Boris Johnson failed to declare a series of potential conflicts of interest over a close friendship with an American model turned technology entrepreneur during his time as London mayor.

An investigation by The Sunday Times can reveal that the woman, Jennifer Arcuri, was given a total of £126,000 in public money and privileged access to three official overseas trade missions led by Johnson.

Sources have confirmed that Johnson, now 55 and prime minister, was a regular visitor to Arcuri’s top-floor flat in Shoreditch, east London.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e...ions-5v0clbmmj

I wonder how long it will last till this government collapses and which consequences a breakdown may have for the course of Brexit?

[mongrel]

Not sure about Boris future. He was so blatantly talking about dealing with EU and 31st October that not leaving might be quite damaging to his political career. If not about voters, definitely among politicians.

Now this sounds like yet another way how to push through brexit. Because he has no other political plan. Just wrap it as "protecting democracy" no matter that is is just spitting on democracy (you know,parliament majority which he lost).

Still EU is probably willing to offer retrospective extension so there is no difference if no deal would happen due to one shady way or another...

Labour does seem to have a another view on how Boris can abuse Contingency Act powers, talk up the chance of Brexiteer riots in the hope they happen then invoke the Act as a means to force no deal Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...rs-brexit-deal

As typical for right-wing populists Boris faces now accusations of corruption

Resemblance to Trump is uncanny.

[Morticia Iunia Bruti]

Its a bad idea to refer to emergency laws flippantly.

My country has a bad memory with emergency laws:

Article 48 of the constitution of the Weimar Republic of Germany (1919–1933) allowed the President, under certain circumstances, to take emergency measures without the prior consent of the Reichstag. This power was understood to include the promulgation of "emergency decrees (Notverordnungen)".^[1]

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The invocation of Article 48 by successive governments helped seal the fate of the Weimar Republic. While Brüning's first invocation of a Notverordnung may have been well-intentioned, the power to rule by decree became increasingly used not in response to a specific emergency but as a substitute for parliamentary leadership. The excessive use of the decree power and the fact that successive chancellors were no longer responsible to the Reichstag probably played a significant part in the loss of public confidence in constitutional democracy, in turn leading to the rise of the extremist parties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articl..._Constitution)

[Cope]

Meanwhile, the Labour activist group Momentum is tacitly threatening to lynch conservatives in Manchester.

[Ludicus]

Resemblance to Trump

The cartoon says it all,



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Cummings’s sees a world facing automation, and he thinks that the EU is entirely incapable of responding to the threat. But technology can help humankind and for Boris the problem is solvable only by bold action: we can easily foresee Boris slicing the Gordian knot at a tech summit in London next year,




Boris gives a bizarre speech about technology to the UN. An Orwellian imagery and utopian examples, enjoy.
"Are we doomed to a cold and heartless future in which computer says yes — or computer says no with the grim finality of an emperor in the arena?"
AI, what will it mean? Helpful robots washing and caring for an ageing population, or pink-eyed terminators sent back from the future to cull the human race?"

[95thrifleman]

Meanwhile, the Labour activist group Momentum is tacitly threatening to lynch conservatives in Manchester.

Labour supporters doing all they can to honour the memory of Jo Cox while those evil potty mouthed tories spew such vile swearwords like "traitor"....

[Heathen Hammer]

Johnson basically forcing through a no-deal Brexit would be the biggest triumph of Democracy in Europe since collapse of Warsaw Pact.

[Ludicus]

Johnson basically forcing through a no-deal Brexit would be the biggest triumph of Democracy in Europe since collapse of Warsaw Pact.

In fact, National Populism is here to stay...for now.
Reality check, H.H. The European "Warsaw Pact" is not dead yet. The Berlin Wall on the Irish border will stay firm. I can foresee the Scottish independence, and another wall on the Scottish border.

[95thrifleman]

In fact, National Populism is here to stay...for now.
Reality check, H.H. The European "Warsaw Pact" is not dead yet. The Berlin Wall on the Irish border will stay firm. I can foresee the Scottish independence, and another wall on the Scottish border.

And a bankrupt Scotland a generation later

[Cope]

And a bankrupt Scotland a generation later

If you're serious about independence you're going to have to sacrifice the idea of unionism. Even though this is ostensibly difficult, once you come to the realization that the Anglo-Scottish union is already on life support, you will come to understand that the chances of it surviving even if the United Kingdom were to remain in the European Union are minimal.

[Heathen Hammer]

In fact, National Populism is here to stay...for now.
Reality check, H.H. The European "Warsaw Pact" is not dead yet. The Berlin Wall on the Irish border will stay firm. I can foresee the Scottish independence, and another wall on the Scottish border.

"National Populism" is simply Western people rejecting globalist oligarchy and its pet politicians.
I mean there is still work to be done in UK after it leaves EU - reverting gun laws so that they can defend themselves, getting rid of censorship laws and overall establishing a legal framework that would prevent government from going full 1984. If authoritarian statists don't like it, they could always emigrate to China or North Korea, where they can relax as government controls every aspect of their lives.
If Scottish people want to be stuck in past-century with EUSSR, they technically can do that, but I doubt that will happen, given the track record of their independence movement.

[mongrel]

"National Populism" is simply Western people rejecting globalist oligarchy and its pet politicians.
I mean there is still work to be done in UK after it leaves EU - reverting gun laws so that they can defend themselves, getting rid of censorship laws and overall establishing a legal framework that would prevent government from going full 1984. If authoritarian statists don't like it, they could always emigrate to China or North Korea, where they can relax as government controls every aspect of their lives.
If Scottish people want to be stuck in past-century with EUSSR, they technically can do that, but I doubt that will happen, given the track record of their independence movement.

Western people is a globalist term. The rest of your post is gibberish which has nothing to do with UK politics whatsoever. Johnson 'basically forcing through a no-deal Brexit ' would be unlawful. If the men in grey suits don't stop him if he tries, the men in blue uniforms will.

[Heathen Hammer]

Western people is a globalist term. The rest of your post is gibberish which has nothing to do with UK politics whatsoever. Johnson 'basically forcing through a no-deal Brexit ' would be unlawful. If the men in grey suits don't stop him if he tries, the men in blue uniforms will.

Saying that implementing democratic decisions made by the people is "unlawful", is explicitly fascistic. At least we know that the closest thing we have to fascism these days are supporters of globalist oligarchy.

[Ludicus]

H.H. I have bad news for you. Gove's democratic liberation of a whole continent will have to wait. Until then, with Europe returning to the bosom of Islam, pray to St. George, go on pilgrimage to Academy for the Judeo-Christian West in Italy. Bannon waits you. Wait, what a disappointment! Steve Bannon's school shut down by Italy

[mongrel]

Saying that implementing democratic decisions made by the people is "unlawful", is explicitly fascistic. At least we know that the closest thing we have to fascism these days are supporters of globalist oligarchy.

Parliament makes decisions in the UK, our laws enforced by a truly independent judiciary. 'People' had no say in the Benn Act, nor do they have a say in it's enforcement, if required. Until you get these points, anything you post will remain gibberish.

[caratacus]

'People' had no say in the Benn Act, nor do they have a say in it's enforcement,

I would be surprised if they would to something dubbed the "Surrender Bill"
Given the prospect of a no confidence motion this coming week. I guess it isn't surprising, that the forces behind undermining Brexit, are now directing their efforts to sully the public image of Boris Johnson in the event of an election. Accusations against him relating to his time as Mayor fill the papers and now a female journalists is accusing him of sexual assault.

No 10 denies Boris Johnson 'thigh squeeze' claim
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49873301
Downing Street has denied a claim that Boris Johnson squeezed a female journalist's thigh under the table at a private lunch.

Writing in the Sunday Times, Charlotte Edwardes said the incident happened to her at the offices of the Spectator magazine in 1999.
A Number 10 spokesman said: "This allegation is untrue."