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This however has nothing to do with global warming. Preventing the emissions of poisons into the atmosphere is a no brainer. Thats why their trying to claim CO2 as a poison.Atmospheric lead and acid rain are not localised - leaded petrol is one of the worst inventions of the 20th century.
I have nothing against the womens movement. Especially when Im walking behind it.
But it does have to do with your assumption that we cannot change the Earth or the atomsphere. You still have not explained this, even though I have provided an example to the contrary. I thought atmospheric lead would be more likely to resonate with you and Oldgamer because it has nothing to do with global warming.
i dont know who is trying to claim CO2 is a poison but it certainly isnt good for you, try breathing it for a while and see how nice it is. this absurd notion that humans are incapable of causing change in the worlds climate is absurd and quite frankly ignorantThats why their trying to claim CO2 as a poison.
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Of course I have strong political believes, but that doesn't mean I take part in the political game surrounding the global warming debate.
They used to say the same about humans ability to fly to the moon and back.
Don't mis-under-estimate us too quickly.
Actually, nature takes back (slightly) more than it emits.
Over the past 600 million years, the vast majority of atmospheric CO2 that was in the air before life started got turned into fossil fuels (oil, gas, coal).
That's why it's a lot colder today than it was in the time of the dinosaurs.
In the past 100 years humans have returned a significant portion of the carbon in fossil fuels back to the atmosphere, undoing what nature took millions of years.
I think I'll just always be sceptical, until the day they plough up the roads so none of us can drive.
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"Global Warming is caused by the ocean"
In my opinion, earth has ALWAYS been changing. Humanity simply cannot change something caused by the earth. Even IF we are making any difference, it STILL will happen, just later on. There is nothing to do about it. The claims about the so-called HUGE human impact on the environment are ridicules. Seriously, we created cars,TV,computers, and all of the sudden they are BAD? Also, Earth created its OWN ice age. Dinosaurs did NOT drive automobiles and fight WW2s. Or be big business dinosaurs. Or sell drugs. Or protest against the ice age. The planet changed on its own.
Imagine there is a small ant colony in a cup. You find it. It begins growing and such. Suddenly, you pour the colony out the window, and instead put sort of insect colony inside. Its pretty much the same thing. We can't destroy what created us.
yeah but the next ice age isnt due for 50,000 years...and just because we made cars doesnt mean that they cant 'suddenly' be bad (and 100 years is a micro second in the planets life)In my opinion, earth has ALWAYS been changing. Humanity simply cannot change something caused by the earth. Even IF we are making any difference, it STILL will happen, just later on. There is nothing to do about it. The claims about the so-called HUGE human impact on the environment are ridicules. Seriously, we created cars,TV,computers, and all of the sudden they are BAD? Also, Earth created its OWN ice age. Dinosaurs did NOT drive automobiles and fight WW2s. Or be big business dinosaurs. Or sell drugs. Or protest against the ice age. The planet changed on its own.
Imagine there is a small ant colony in a cup. You find it. It begins growing and such. Suddenly, you pour the colony out the window, and instead put sort of insect colony inside. Its pretty much the same thing. We can't destroy what created us.
also i read your article and i cant do a full breakdown but i noticed a few flaws which make me skeptical, thx though i havent seen that article before
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why can't we just make more ozone and pump it up there?
its only O3 and should be easy to make, though under extreme conditions im guessing
the Ozone hole and global warming are seperate issues (though the first may have an affect on the latter) and i belive the americans tried thatwhy can't we just make more ozone and pump it up there?
its only O3 and should be easy to make, though under extreme conditions im guessing
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Are you sure? I heard it was overdue.yeah but the next ice age isnt due for 50,000 years...and just because we made cars doesnt mean that they cant 'suddenly' be bad (and 100 years is a micro second in the planets life)
And both junk science.the Ozone hole and global warming are seperate issues (though the first may have an affect on the latter) and i belive the americans tried that
Its in that movie the great global warming swindle. Talk about finding a few flaws. The global warming theory is chock full of themalso i read your article and i cant do a full breakdown but i noticed a few flaws which make me skeptical, thx though i havent seen that article before
I give it 10 more years before its proven a hoax.
I have nothing against the womens movement. Especially when Im walking behind it.
i forget where i read that so naturally you can ignore it unless i can dig it back upAre you sure? I heard it was overdue.
not that absurd claim again, last time you said this i gave you a very informative article about the Ozone from cambridge university and some findings of the BAS and you ignored themAnd both junk science.
and we all know how good that documentary was with its imature film maker and its completely out of date and already refuted evidenceIts in that movie the great global warming swindle. Talk about finding a few flaws. The global warming theory is chock full of them
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No I didnt. I showed you how they were dumbed down for the average person.not that absurd claim again, last time you said this i gave you a very informative article about the Ozone from cambridge university and some findings of the BAS and you ignored them
I saw very little refuted. No where near as much as most of the things you guys post or AlGores movie.and we all know how good that documentary was with its imature film maker and its completely out of date and already refuted evidence
I have nothing against the womens movement. Especially when Im walking behind it.
please please show me how they were incorrect in anywayNo I didnt. I showed you how they were dumbed down for the average person.
i wish people would stop talking about Al Gore ffs. all of that documentary has been refuted and the maker now looks like an idiotI saw very little refuted. No where near as much as most of the things you guys post or AlGores movie.
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One more time. There is no such thing as the Ozone Layer or Ozone hole. That is terms used so that laymen can better get a picture of what their speaking about.please please show me how they were incorrect in anyway
AlGore. The gift that just keeps giving. Ok so just how much of that movie can you refute again? I remember one scientist trying to claim he didnt say what he saidi wish people would stop talking about Al Gore ffs. all of that documentary has been refuted and the maker now looks like an idiot
I have nothing against the womens movement. Especially when Im walking behind it.
without watching the Hour long documentary again only the fact they used data from the 80s (approx) that has since been refuted and put it forth as up to date, other than that the facts many scientists have voiced concerns over facts from the show but the maker refused to discuss it with them in any kind of mature debate (he told them to '**** off') and that people have said they were misrepresented in the show. there was a lot of press coverage after the thing was airedOk so just how much of that movie can you refute again? I remember one scientist trying to claim he didnt say what he said
the thickness of Ozone around the world in the stratosphere is measured in dobson units (DU) and the hole is an area of substantial depletion of the thickness of the layer all of which is measurable, i have never claimed otherwiseThere is no such thing as the Ozone Layer or Ozone hole
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And this refuted what?without watching the Hour long documentary again only the fact they used data from the 80s (approx) that has since been refuted and put it forth as up to date,
I saw one guy who said he didnt mean what he said I saw a list of 2 or 3 others who claimed the same. And this refuted w exactly what point?other than that the facts many scientists have voiced concerns over facts from the show but the maker refused to discuss it with them in any kind of mature debate (he told them to '**** off') and that people have said they were misrepresented in the show.
yeah they couldnt wait to attack it. For some reason they loved Gores movie though. But again there is no bias on this topic. It should make your job easy.here was a lot of press coverage after the thing was aired
I have nothing against the womens movement. Especially when Im walking behind it.
There is no such thing as global warming,
And for every post in this thread I will drive my gas guzzling SUV 1 Mile more than I have to!(Mostly to the 4th nearest McDonalds)
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