Ahsoka TV series!

[conon394]

I saw a YouTube clip where Steven Spielberg says there a three people who made Indiana Jones possible: George Lucas, Harrison Ford, then pauses to say that the last person is what helped continuity and was the glue throughout the five movies, setting up KK, who is on stage with him, to think it's her. So you/she thinks he's about to say her name, but then mic drops John Williams. KK's husband then comes and tries to escort her off stage. Hilarious.

Perhaps. Too bad his trio did not stop at 1 movie or notice umm nothing IJ does actually matters in the first movie. Theoretically he does sorta save Marion from a branding but if he had not shown up she might have played that interaction better anyway. Also nobody umm noticed having indie be dismissive of the arc makes no sense after they make the prequel where IJ encounters the mystical for real.

Thanks to wokeness we'll never get another Shawshank Redemption or John Carpenter's The Thing, because they don't have any women in them, unless you count those "God damn posters". "Modern" audiences would call them misogynists. Now we have lots of race swapping and sex swapping, but it almost always goes in one direction*. They're tearing men down to build women up. Things that used to be more for male audiences than female, are becoming female focused. We can sex swap Ghostbusters to an all female led movie, but if someone was to remake Alien with a male as the protagonist, women and men would be up in arms.

Wow chip shoulder much? Not sure your examples work a prison movie and a john carpenter movie. On the second the man kinda works with what his budget is. In any case I surprised you slam carpenter for being woke final girl and all in Halloween.

[NorthernXY]

Wow chip shoulder much? Not sure your examples work a prison movie and a john carpenter movie. On the second the man kinda works with what his budget is. In any case I surprised you slam carpenter for being woke final girl and all in Halloween.

Chip shoulder?

I didn't slam Carpenter for being woke, I only listed his name because there is a 2011 remake and I wanted to be specific about the movie I was talking about. The remake has a woman as the main character, rather than a Kurt Russel clone with an awesome beard. With Keith David and Wilford Brimley, and lots of practical effects, great movie. They made a prequel that was suppose to use practical effects, but the higher ups said "No" so the monsters were CGI.

"final girl and all in Halloween." What?

Perhaps. Too bad his trio did not stop at 1 movie or notice umm nothing IJ does actually matters in the first movie. Theoretically he does sorta save Marion from a branding but if he had not shown up she might have played that interaction better anyway. Also nobody umm noticed having indie be dismissive of the arc makes no sense after they make the prequel where IJ encounters the mystical for real.

Marion is a great example of a strong female character, who is there to move the story forward and not be damsel in distress. Are you talking about young Indiana Jones or The Temple of Doom? The simple answer is they didn't plan the trilogy out because they didn't know if it would be a success. Unlike Disney's sequel trilogy where they planned on making three movies but didn't bother to plan it out. I agree, in retrospect it doesn't make sense for him to be suspicious about the supernatural when he experienced it in TTOD.

Side Note: Isn't it awesome Short Round won an Oscar?

[Kyriakos]

On a tangent, if Solo actually could understand the Wookie and trust it, why would he in episode1 not believe that jedis are real, when in later (previous ) episodes the Wookie was fighting alongside jedis?

[alhoon]

I'm a scientist, I approach everything using the Scientific Method.

Then, I am afraid, Star Wars is not for you. Even the fact that the color of a blade comes from a "force crystal" should raise red flags. And the most absurd part is of course... sound in space.
Anyway, I am a scientist too, NorthernXY. I have no issues with starwars being silly fun.

[alhoon]

[a big list that has little to do with Star Wars and even less with Ahsoka tv series]

Yeah, I agree, KK sucks and she is a misandrist, trying to push propaganda down our throats like it happened with the Last Jedi...
which has very little to do with Ahsoka TV series that has nothing misandrist about it or anything woke about it. Come on! They even turned Sabine straight in rebels and left all of us blinking in surprise.

I read a long list of (legitimate) complains about KK and ... some stuff about Indiana Jones. I didn't read any example of wokeness in Ahsoka TV series. I guess there is diversity (I didn't count human skin colors) but that is NOT forced down our throats nor a clear message that women are the adults in the room and men are impulsive jerks that have trouble with authority.

[NorthernXY]

Then, I am afraid, Star Wars is not for you. Even the fact that the color of a blade comes from a "force crystal" should raise red flags. And the most absurd part is of course... sound in space.
Anyway, I am a scientist too, NorthernXY. I have no issues with starwars being silly fun.

While I know a lot about Star Wars, I'm not exactly its biggest fan, but I can recognize the impact it's had on our culture. Growing up I never played with action figures, I just built stuff from Legos, Kinects, or anything else you can build with. Made my own trebuchet in the 8th grade, though it was only about 4 ft tall.

Yeah, I agree, KK sucks and she is a misandrist, trying to push propaganda down our throats like it happened with the Last Jedi...
which has very little to do with Ahsoka TV series that has nothing misandrist about it or anything woke about it. Come on! They even turned Sabine straight in rebels and left all of us blinking in surprise.

I read a long list of (legitimate) complains about KK and ... some stuff about Indiana Jones. I didn't read any example of wokeness in Ahsoka TV series. I guess there is diversity (I didn't count human skin colors) but that is NOT forced down our throats nor a clear message that women are the adults in the room and men are impulsive jerks that have trouble with authority.

You go right ahead and enjoy it, but I refuse to support anything KK is affiliated with. I've heard that a lot of people find it slow (which I'm okay with) and lost like half its initial audience and has been cancelled so I don't want to get invested in a show that will suddenly stop without rapping up all the story lines. My hang up is women aren't injured by lightsabers because of wokeness. In the Obi-Won Kenobi series, I've been told the antagonist got stabbed twice and survived then turned out to not be evil, but trying to kill Vader. KK can't create anything good or new. Not planning out the trilogy raised a huge red flag for me after watching The Force Awakens, which I didn't enjoy. Skipping past the sequel trilogy, KK should have planned out a Knights of the Old Republic trilogy, which has a strong female character who isn't a Mary Sue and has nothing to do with Palpatines and Skywalkers.

[alhoon]

You go right ahead and enjoy it, but I refuse to support anything KK is affiliated with.

I will add here that KK has very little to do with Ahsoka, love it or hate it. Filoni has mostly free reign. Thus, you don't see misandry.

has been cancelled so I don't want to get invested in a show that will suddenly stop

Nope, it has not been cancelled. There were a few such rumors quickly debunked. Ahsoka lost about half the audience in episode 3 but that had several reasons other than people going "meh, this is rubbish".
1. The first two episodes had huge hype and tons of people were glued to the TV to watch Ahsoka live action after 15 years as she's fan-favorite. The 3rd episode (and subsequent ones) don't have the same "weight"; people can watch them in 2 weeks, which makes sense (see #2)

2. The first two episodes were ~100 minutes. It was a meaty introduction. The 3rd episode was ... 35 mins. I told my father to wait for 2-3 episodes to accumulate before watching a "movie's worth" of Ahsoka. I told my sister the same thing. And I am not the only one that thinks that way.
I watched the 3rd episode but... I was planning to watch it again before the new episode to have 80-90 mins of Ahsoka. <=== that plan went down as I may not even watch the fourth one on time as I am leaving for Germany and I need to catch a plane but I will try.

And then... 3. It is slower. It is not everyone's cup of tea.

My hang up is women aren't injured by lightsabers because of wokeness. In the Obi-Won Kenobi series, I've been told the antagonist got stabbed twice and survived then turned out to not be evil, but trying to kill Vader.

1. Nooope, women aren't KILLED by lightsabers for plot reasons. Here's how Sabine survived, from a different person's post that doesn't mislabel "torso" but STILL points out the obvious:


2. The antagonist was evil but her motive was vengeance, not power. She has committed crimes, murder and more in her quest for vengeance. She wanted to kill Vader and she didn't mind killing a 8-years-old girl to accomplish it.

3. The woman survived a lightsaber hit once. A man, a white man actually, survived a lightsaber hit too.

I agree about the sequels and while I doubt KK wrote the script, I fully blame her for not asking Abrams and Johnson to sit down together and plan out a trilogy in advance.

[Kyriakos]

Meh
I feel it's an easy/cheap point to make, but in the hope we are just having fun here, I will make it:
I really doubt there is any thought given to science in the SW shows, and by that I mean all of them, including the original trilogy.
That isn't itself as bad - lots of shows are like that, and certainly a large majority. But some also are very crude about how they go about with plot gimmicks, and SW definitely is among them. You see the lazy and dumb way of plot construction where the characters do x not because there was any continuity or backing for them doing x, but because x was written as to be a direct prerequisite for them doing y, and likewise y was for z. The show is just ticking boxes and has very little value as a story imo.

[Roma_Victrix]

I barely made it through two torturous episodes and was completely underwhelmed, don't plan on watching more. I just don't find the characters very likeable and on top of that even Rosario Dawson's lead character Ahsoka annoys me in ways she didn't in Mandalorian. I enjoyed her character in the latter show even though it is not my favorite either (Andor was better as I've argued in disagreement with Alhoon in another thread). Was it just her more limited screen time in Mando, so that I didn't notice it? In her own show she's obnoxiously smug and always has a self-satisfied smirk on her face with long pauses in between spoken lines. It is grating due to how consistent and immensely noticeable it is all the time. WTF? It's also a bit boring to watch someone so easily dispatch the droids fighting her, with the same smirk on her face telling us there's zero danger to be concerned about in these encounters.

Sabine's character kind of annoys me as well, since she is supposed to be a veteran warrior, but acts more like a lackadaisical teenager arguing with her mom after sneaking out of the house past her curfew (even though the actress Natasha Liu Bordizzo is 29). The apprentice Shin Hati played by Ivanna Sakhno is also just lifeless, not really intimidating or a force of nature, and has a look on her face like she's stoned out of her mind and looking for munchies (perfect for Half Baked, not this) even when she's supposed to be in fraught situations. While I love me some Titus Pullo himself, Ray Stevenson (RIP), even he seems largely detached and disinterested in the job of playing the role of Baylan Skoll. I'm glad he got some high profile work before his passing, but it's a shame that it's within a series like this where I don't even care to watch the rest. And that's saying a lot considering how I was looking forward to seeing actor Lars Mikkelsen (House of Cards, The Witcher, etc.) as the grand admiral, but now I don't really give a crap because the show itself hasn't given me a reason to care about what happens next.

Also, since we're randomly on the topic of misandry in the posts above, my input on the female characters here has nothing to do with misogyny, considering how I applaud the performances of each actress in Andor. Those in the latter look, move, and sound far more believable in their roles, with much more compelling, fleshed out personalities. The show achieved that in one season thus far, whereas I'm supposed to watch a million hours of previous CGI cartoons to understand Ahsoka. An actually well written show should manage to stand on its own two feet and achieve that in a reasonable time frame. For instance, from start to finish Fiona Shaw who played Maarva Andor, mother of the titular character, put on probably the absolute best performance of any character in any Star Wars film or series, with her need to save the young Cassian in the flashback scenes and especially her funerary rallying call at the end of season 1. She was incredible. Adria Arjona as Bix Caleen also put on a great performance as the mechanic scrapyard-owning ex-girlfriend and still closest friend of Cassian Andor, a woman who was vulnerable like any other person to the brutal tyranny of the Empire but also tough as nails and staunchly loyal to her friends even when tortured. Genevieve O'Reilly as Senator Mon Mothma was mesmerizing in each scene given her constant expression of fear for her life and the cloak-and-dagger plans she concocted with Luthen Rael played by Stellan Skarsgard; her character was instrumental in moving the plot along but also grounded it in reality when you saw how she and her family lived.

Comparing these two shows is like comparing night and day.

I misread that as"Ashoka".

LOL. That's probably way more fun to watch, based on the real history of a Mauryan emperor, even if it has silly Bollywood dancing in it. At least when Indian films/series have campiness it is overt and admitted. Speaking of which, good God, you know what else is annoying about Ahsoka? That stupid looking alien creature pet cat thing belonging to Sabine. It's got those same jerky movements of Baby Yoda.

[NorthernXY]

I will add here that KK has very little to do with Ahsoka, love it or hate it. Filoni has mostly free reign. Thus, you don't see misandry.

Nope, it has not been cancelled. There were a few such rumors quickly debunked. Ahsoka lost about half the audience in episode 3 but that had several reasons other than people going "meh, this is rubbish".
1. The first two episodes had huge hype and tons of people were glued to the TV to watch Ahsoka live action after 15 years as she's fan-favorite. The 3rd episode (and subsequent ones) don't have the same "weight"; people can watch them in 2 weeks, which makes sense (see #2)

2. The first two episodes were ~100 minutes. It was a meaty introduction. The 3rd episode was ... 35 mins. I told my father to wait for 2-3 episodes to accumulate before watching a "movie's worth" of Ahsoka. I told my sister the same thing. And I am not the only one that thinks that way.
I watched the 3rd episode but... I was planning to watch it again before the new episode to have 80-90 mins of Ahsoka. <=== that plan went down as I may not even watch the fourth one on time as I am leaving for Germany and I need to catch a plane but I will try.

And then... 3. It is slower. It is not everyone's cup of tea.

1. Nooope, women aren't KILLED by lightsabers for plot reasons. Here's how Sabine survived, from a different person's post that doesn't mislabel "torso" but STILL points out the obvious:

2. The antagonist was evil but her motive was vengeance, not power. She has committed crimes, murder and more in her quest for vengeance. She wanted to kill Vader and she didn't mind killing a 8-years-old girl to accomplish it.

3. The woman survived a lightsaber hit once. A man, a white man actually, survived a lightsaber hit too.

I agree about the sequels and while I doubt KK wrote the script, I fully blame her for not asking Abrams and Johnson to sit down together and plan out a trilogy in advance.

Fair enough points, I'm not her to convince you to stop watching a show I haven't watched. Didn't the antagonist in Obi Won's show get stabbed twice? At least that's what I've heard. Also I've heard the Obi Won show was mostly about the antagonist till the final episode when Obi Won stops pouting and actually becomes a badass and kicks Anakin/Darth Vader's ass, but it was pretty meh till that episode. Was the guy a Jedi and was it a stabbing or a dismemberment? As I wrote earlier, her stabbing looks like it could have gone through a kidney and possibly her stomach. A stomach wound in our world means you have about 10-15 minutes left to live.

Doing my own research and you are correct, it hasn't been cancelled, but I can't find any information about a 2nd season being green lighted. Admittedly I'm in a bubble on YouTube and everybody I'm subscribed to doesn't like it. I know Bob Iger wants to cut back on expensive projects and can't imagine Ahsoka was cheap to produce. Which of course it would be without the late, great, Ray Stevenson. Though his character might be killed in the 1st season finale, I don't know.

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My favorite science fantasy/fiction is Warhammer 40k. Can't wait for Amazon's shows of it, especially because Henry Cavil is a major fan/nerd and is an executive producer for the show. He left The Witcher because he didn't like them bastardizing the novels. I used to be A Song of Ice and Fire mega fan, my avatar for the last 12 years was show Jon Snow's sigil which is the Stark sigil but with reversed colors, a white dire wolf's head on a grey background, rather than a grey dire wolf's head on a white (snow) background. The fact my username start with North, is a coincidence from my days of American football where I only ran North. I was the 2nd strongest person on the team, along with being the second fastest, so I'd just run people over rather than trying to juke them out. It was a great feeling dishing out the hard hits to multiple people, when I was the one suppose to be taking the hard hits. I quit paying attention to ASoIaF years ago when I figured out the ending and realized GRRM will die before finishing The Winds of Winter. Which is why I now use a Nordic/Germanic compass with the runes "Not all who wander are lost" encircling it as my avatar. Still has something to do with my username.

[Kyriakos]

Hm, when is the WH40K show going to air?
Though WH40K has had far more retcons than SW
Maybe if they choose some of the better parts, it might make sense (I detest the stupid Emperor vs Horus story).

[NorthernXY]

Hm, when is the WH40K show going to air?
Though WH40K has had far more retcons than SW
Maybe if they choose some of the better parts, it might make sense (I detest the stupid Emperor vs Horus story).

I don't know when a 40k show will air.

GW likes to say something like "everything is canon, but not everything is true". Chalking up inconsistency due to the unreliable narrator. I know I may be a hypocrite, but I don't really mind the "recons", because they're doing it to make the whole world building and story more consistent.

I think they'd go with Gaunt's Ghosts, Ciaphis Cain, or Gregor Eisenhorn to start it off because they don't have lots of 8 foot tall space marines, which I think may be difficult because there are not 8 foot tall muscle bound men in our world, let alone 10+ foot men to portray the primarchs. However, the Horus Heresy, whether you like it or not, is a long running story that has a conclusion, unlike 40k where its story is slowly progressing. The HH would also be a better introduction to 40k/30k because it has most of the primarchs, Big E, and lots of space marines so the audience will know what's going on in another series so they don't have to explain who Big E, primarchs, and space marines are.

Just noticed that your avatar probably pisses off a lot of Muslims because you didn't include their minarets, especially because Erdoğan designated it back into a mosque.

[Kyriakos]

(I 3d modelled the building myself, ala Anthemios and Isidoros, so tough)

[NorthernXY]

Well good job, it looks great. The Hagia Sophia is one of my favorite buildings. Had look up Anthemios and Isidoros.

[NorthernXY]

Forgot one of my reasons why getting stabbed and having the light blade stay in for 5 seconds should cause a person to blow-up is "The Phantom Menace". When Qui-Gon and Obi Won are trying to make it through a door. Qui-Gon leaves his lightsaber blade in a metal door and we can see it start to melt.

[mishkin]

Yisus

[Halie Satanus]

Ep 4.

I liked the pretty lightsaber fights. Disappointed Sabine didn't kick the crap out of Shin, she is a Mandalorian and a vet. Expected a bit more from her with all her Mando gizmo's.

[NorthernXY]

Ep 4.

I liked the pretty lightsaber fights. Disappointed Sabine didn't kick the crap out of Shin, she is a Mandalorian and a vet. Expected a bit more from her with all her Mando gizmo's.

I thought Mandalorians are now pacifists or something stupid like that.

[alhoon]

Ep 4.

I liked the pretty lightsaber fights. Disappointed Sabine didn't kick the crap out of Shin, she is a Mandalorian and a vet. Expected a bit more from her with all her Mando gizmo's.

I also thought Sabine would do better against Shin when she "switched" to Mandalorian fighting tactics but, since Sabine won I can't say she did bad.

I thought Mandalorians are now pacifists or something stupid like that.

[NorthernXY]

Never mind, from a quick read there was a party called New Mandalorians that took over after a civil war and emphasized pacifism, neutrality, and not being a badass. Apparently those ideals aren't so great at warding off those who will use violence to get what they want, so Mandalore returned to its original warrior ways.