Matt Gaetz you magnificent bastard (with an honorable mention to Pelosi)

**Phier** · October 25, 2023, 09:00 PM

When Gaetz launched his coup apparently the democrats were suppose to save McCarthy, but instead decided to join those few republicans against him. If this is true or not is only a footnote but it seems reasonable being how easily they took the vote.

While I sympathized with Gaetz in principle I never expected the Rhinos to allow a real conservative. When Jim Jordan got borked by them, I assumed the uniparty wouldn't allow it.

But then we get Mike Johnson, who's voting record is pure conservative, who's not chased the lime light.

He reminds me a lot of my favorite conservative politician Pierre Poilievre though perhaps not quite his wit.

This is going to be quite interesting, and I hope to see some things talked about less and actioned upon more.

**Lord Thesaurian** · October 25, 2023, 09:27 PM

My question is whether he’s so different from McCarthy as to have justified the shenanigans? Or maybe this is all some personal ploy by Gaetz for his own reasons. I know the base grew to hate McCarthy, but is Ukraine funding and the debt ceiling really cause for all this?

**Phier** · October 26, 2023, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Lord Thesaurian

My question is whether he’s so different from McCarthy as to have justified the shenanigans? Or maybe this is all some personal ploy by Gaetz for his own reasons. I know the base grew to hate McCarthy, but is Ukraine funding and the debt ceiling really cause for all this?

Gaetz I think is just someone who DGAF what others think about him. I don't think there is a personal ploy here. McCarthy was great for talk but nothing was actually getting done is what I've heard and he had deals with the dems on things, including apparently to keep his speakership which they backstabbed him on. I can't say for sure thats all true.

I don't know if its going to help/hurt/etc as we don't know whats going on behind the closed doors or who's getting paid off in some fashion.