The Controversy of Heavy Metal

[Last Roman]

to be honest, I wouldn't put Slipknot under the Nu-Metal banner either. Most likely under Hard Rock than anything. The riffs utilised have more in common with rock than metal really, and the lyrical/vocal style is more that of Rock/Hard Rock. The only thing that relates them to Nu-Metal is the use of a DJ (quite sparingly compared with Nu-Metal bands) and the era in which they broke into popularity.

but doesn't Slipknot use a turn table? Even if slip knot is nu metal, I still like some of their songs. Now I think a very good example of some pretty ****** nu metal would be early Limp Bizkit.

[Tajir]

Rap? I've never heard rap in a Slipknot song. Please point out the songs with rap. And people hate the nu-metal rating because it is usually the worst kind of metal. Usually the bands there are just fads with one good album. Seriously, is there one "lasting" nu-metal band?

Have you listened to "Spit it Out"??? Probably not! That's the most RAPPY song ever, more rap in that piece than possibly Limp Bizkit. I like Rap, but not in my Metal!

And YES, there are lasting Nu Metal bands. Korn is the flagship of Nu Metal, the Godfathers of the genre, and they've been going strong since their first album in 1992!

Linkin Park lasted for five good years. Limp Bizkit for three successful albums, and many many others.

[empty]

I personally love Motorhead (although they say they are rock n roll, but their riffs don't show that at all), Megadeth, Slayer, Metallica, those thrash metal bands; I also like some death metal scene like CoB, Children of Bodom! Those guys play really well, the singer even has a model guitar or something like that, I've heard!...

[Your Lame Sister]

SOAD isn't nu metal.
a) they use solos (although not all the time)
b) they have political lyrics.
c) the songs they write have a very strong technical side, unlike any other nu-metal band.
d) they don't use DJ's.
e) they don't rap, usually (some of their famous songs have rap, but 80% of their songs don't have it)

I would say that they are folk/thrash metal - folk becuase they put armenian folk music in their songs, and thrash because they use thrash druming, thrashing guitar riffs, and political lyrics similiar to thrash.

[Necromancer]

I listen to mostly 80's British Metal:
Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Saxon
Motorhead
etc...

THAT is heavy metal... all of these BS nu-metal groups out there today just suck... it's a disgrace to the genre. Anyone who considers them to be heavy-metal can shove it. GOD it pisses me off when someone goes "Man, Korn is an awesome heavy-metal band, Munky Shaffer's the best guitarist ever"... try listening to Priest, Tipton and Downing and all of the old guys could blow ANY of these new guys away ANY day.

[Tostig]

Why bother classifying bands? Does it matter if I call Astrofaes 'National-Socialist-Black-Metal', or Turbonegro 'deathpunk'. I'll that labels can be useful to classify music, but at the same time I think they tend to make genres introspective and ultimately artistically incestuous and thus peter out.

A second reason I tend to dislike labelling bands is just the sheer musical snobbery. I've been told that "All the emos listen to Bolt Thrower". I just seems to me to be a petty clique thing. Why bother with silly labels if it means you have to describe bands in terms of "...is a progressive metal band with power metal and melodic black metal influences." Can't you just compare them to other bands, or better yet define them in terms of what their music is like. For instance telling me a band has blast beating and too-repetative Cookie Monster vocals would be enough. Even better yet, just let me listen to them.

It could just be my eclectic taste in music, with Jeff Wayne, Ennio Morricone, Block Party and Bauhaus fighting for shelf space, together with my dislike for cliquism, but really, does it matter what bands people fit into which labels?

[hunter260859]

I listen to mostly 80's British Metal:
Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Saxon
Motorhead
etc...

THAT is heavy metal... all of these BS nu-metal groups out there today just suck... it's a disgrace to the genre. Anyone who considers them to be heavy-metal can shove it. GOD it pisses me off when someone goes "Man, Korn is an awesome heavy-metal band, Munky Shaffer's the best guitarist ever"... try listening to Priest, Tipton and Downing and all of the old guys could blow ANY of these new guys away ANY day.


















I always tend to agree with you lol

[Tajir]

SOAD isn't nu metal.
a) they use solos (although not all the time)
b) they have political lyrics.
c) the songs they write have a very strong technical side, unlike any other nu-metal band.
d) they don't use DJ's.
e) they don't rap, usually (some of their famous songs have rap, but 80% of their songs don't have it)

I would say that they are folk/thrash metal - folk becuase they put armenian folk music in their songs, and thrash because they use thrash druming, thrashing guitar riffs, and political lyrics similiar to thrash.

a. SOAD uses guitar solos? Joking, right? I've never heard a totally 'metalled-out' SOAD song.

b. They have political lyrics? Big deal, so does Rage Against The Machine, and they're a Nu Metal band (yes, its true, just check their vocals).

c. Their songs aren't very technical at all. They have stupid yelling and pointless screaching by their ungodly and awful vocalist, whose voice breaks like a 12 year old boy, terrible!!

d. They don't use DJs, I'll agree, but that's their only saving grace.

e. If they rap 20% of the time, its good enough to make them Nu Metal.


The only Metal-sounding song they've had so far was 'War', the rest is Nu Metal and alternative garbage.

[Tajir]

I listen to mostly 80's British Metal:
Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Saxon
Motorhead
etc...

THAT is heavy metal... all of these BS nu-metal groups out there today just suck... it's a disgrace to the genre. Anyone who considers them to be heavy-metal can shove it. GOD it pisses me off when someone goes "Man, Korn is an awesome heavy-metal band, Munky Shaffer's the best guitarist ever"... try listening to Priest, Tipton and Downing and all of the old guys could blow ANY of these new guys away ANY day.

If you can throw in Slayer, Hatebreed, and Anthrax for me I agree with you 100%.

[Last Roman]

b. They have political lyrics? Big deal, so does Rage Against The Machine, and they're a Nu Metal band (yes, its true, just check their vocals).

rage definitely is not nu metal. I've never head anyone classify them nu-metal.

c. Their songs aren't very technical at all. They have stupid yelling and pointless screaching by their ungodly and awful vocalist, whose voice breaks like a 12 year old boy, terrible!!

taste is subjective. and you obviously haven't listened to all their songs

e. If they rap 20% of the time, its good enough to make them Nu Metal.

SoaD doesn't use rap

The only Metal-sounding song they've had so far was 'War', the rest is Nu Metal and alternative garbage.

NO ONE IS CLAIMING THEY'RE METAL!

[therussian]

Eh, Rage could kind of be considered nu-metal, but I personally wouldn't call them that, maybe more alternative metal.

The reason is because Rage utilizes only three instruments, the Bass, guitar and drums, and no others. No turntables, or electronics or anything like that.


By the way, Dahir, you should listen to the pre-Hypnotise/Mesmorise albums. Serj sings those songs :wink:

[Last Roman]

Eh, Rage could kind of be considered nu-metal, but I personally wouldn't call them that, maybe more alternative metal.

I've seen them classified under alt. rock or funk rock.

[John I Tzimisces]

Yes, Dahir's knowledge of SoaD seems to stem from listening to at most 2 alblums, and it is either one or maybe both of the two most recent.

Regardless of what genre they are they are an excellent band from a musical standpoint (I am a classical pianist) and seeking to categorize them as whatever will only prove more than anything you aren't listening to the music.

Thanks for your time.

(I like Toxicity and Steal this Album, the latter of which I certainly didn't ironically just download the near entirety of)

[Your Lame Sister]

Dahir, you obviously didn't listen to any SOAD song except for the big hits.
if you don't believe me that they use solos, listen to 'lonely day', it has an awesome shredding solo. and using some rap doesn't automatically turn them into nu-metal (I could say that metallica used rap in 'one', and they are definetly not nu-metal). if you will listen to songs like B.Y.O.B you will understand how technical their songs are.
if you will listen to their less known songs you will understand that they are not nu-metal.

[Stalins Ghost]

RATM were/are not Nu-Metal, in any shape or form. They definitely inspired Nu-Metal, no doubt about it, but they themselves were now; for a start they were active mostly before Nu-Metal got big, and genre's are defined more greatly by era than most people think to be honest.

De la' Roche's vocal style is far more hardcore inspired than any Nu-Metal band. He used to front a hardcore band before RATM, and the influence is clear.

They use huge amounts of guitar solo's, all of which utilize an array of techniques. The rhythm of their music is very much so a more orthodox style, as opposed to Nu-Metals love of drop-D power chords, which are used only sparingly by Tom Morello. His use of rhythm guitar scales is a step or 10 ahead of Nu-Metals fairly rudimentary technical skills. The bass component is far more funk inspired than I think people realise much of the time also.

Overall, RATM are clearly not Nu-Metal. They've got their own niche which no-one has yet stolen/raped/butchered etc. Just lump then in Alternative Rock/Metal and be done with it if you really want to classify them, since the aspects they draw on are far too numerous to put simply.

[Last Roman]

aha, I found a guitar solo in one of SoaD's songs (lonely day)

[VALIS]

Great Heavy Metal:
Black Sabbath (the gods and founding fathers)
Motorhead
Saxon
Venom
Iron Maiden
Metallica
Megadeth
Anthrax
Slayer
Judas Priest
Pantera (The Kings of all metal!!)
Queensryche
Machine Head
VOIVOD
Black Label Society
Down
Superjoint ritual


Some are groove metal,thrash metal,NWOBHM etc etc....but all have the over arching thing in common.They are all METAL!

All being said,i do not consider SOAD,Slipknot,Rammstein or RATM as 'metal' but i enjoy some of those bands songs.They do all have elements of heavy metal in them.
I have never liked Slipknot until their latest album which as toned down on the rap and dj'ing and added solos.
Hopefully the continue this trend.

[PyrrhusIV]

SOAD uses guitar solos? Joking, right? I've never heard a totally 'metalled-out' SOAD song.

I didn't know if I song had a solo it was Metal. I guess the Beatles are Nu-Metal then, eh?

[VALIS]

For Whom The Bells Toll - Metallica



Domination - Pantera



Painkiller - Judas Priest



Hangar 18 - Megadeth



The Evil One - Venom



Ace of Spades - Motorhead



Number Of The Beast - Iron Maiden



War Pigs - Black sabbath



Raining Blood - Slayer



Madhouse - Anthrax




This is a few examples of truly great metal!
Enjoy.

[hunter260859]

Nice one there moral man lots of good ones


one of my favorite songs from priest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXBnAhMDFdI


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