Loyalty

**Cymera** · March 24, 2007, 06:37 PM

Well, does anyone know how a General's loyalty can be increased? I accidentally left a HUGE GCS army in the hands of a disloyal Athenian. I had to reload an older game, and that pissed me off. So I would like to know how I can increase their loyalty.

Also, is there a way for Academies to add to the loyalty of a general?

**Randal** · March 24, 2007, 06:38 PM

i have the same problem all the time. so know i dont use generals unless they are the faction leader or heir.

**DimeBagHo** · March 24, 2007, 07:12 PM

Temples that give law bonuses are generally good for loyalty traits. You will also get some "Strategos" offices that you can use to improve the loyalty of generals that you want to use in the field.

**Cymera** · March 24, 2007, 07:45 PM

Yes, but is there any other way? Can they get more loyalty by fighting? I never had this problem with the Romans, I used only temples of Mars, and they always had a very high level of loyalty.

**DimeBagHo** · March 24, 2007, 08:09 PM

No, in fact successful generals are typically less loyal (they have ambitions of their own). If you destroy your rebel faction then loyalty won't be a problem - unless the rebel faction emerges again. That's probably why you didn't have any problems with the Romans - if you crush the Roman rebels early, and don't let any of your cities rebel, then loyalty won't be a problem.

**Cymera** · March 24, 2007, 08:41 PM

There it is then. I must set out to bribe, burn, or conquer all those rebels.

Thx very much Dime! I knew there had to be something to change.

**Locky** · March 24, 2007, 11:19 PM

In my Parthian game i've had alot of loyalist revolts form Seleucian cities.

**Spartacus_GR** · April 03, 2007, 12:01 PM

Yeah me to the first one was something with a b i dont remember the name,in Arabia

**Agathon** · April 18, 2007, 01:02 AM

Leaders' loyalty isn't a problem if you play as Macedon, but settlement loyalty is, which is my problem. I think low loyalty (surly) family members can be kept under control by keeping them as governors in unimportant settlements with high levels of happiness (over 200%). I've never played the GCS past 250 BC with a newer than release 3.x version of XGM, so I hardly qualify to comment on longterm loyalty.

I saw a mod script (cheat) somewhere (downloads probably) that claimed to increase settlement happiness exponentially. It interested me, since the longer I play a campaign, the more unhappiness creeps into the oldest and most developed settlements at the heart of my empires. When an old reliable governor dies, a young inexperienced one just isn't up to the task of keeping an old settlement happy. I've thought of installing the mod script (like I've thought of adding the 4-seasons script) to make things more interesting, but I'd never add a mod that could wreck my XGM installation.

Also, don't let your faction's treasury grow to more than 50,000 denarii. A large treasury tends to produce corrupt family members by giving them unsavory negative traits, and a huge treasury (in excess of 100,000) will likely turn some of your favourite generals into budding Caligulas and Neros. All this in itself may be amusing, but corruption tends to affect the loyalty of your people in a negative way. So spend off the excess until you have around 49,000 in the bank. If your empire is yielding huge income, I'd let it support a larger standing army or use sudden windfalls to bribe atttractive enemy leaders.

**Balikedes** · April 18, 2007, 09:19 AM

I usually keep at least two generals in my main army, I've never had an army defect with two generals in it...

**Randal** · April 18, 2007, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Balikedes

I usually keep at least two generals in my main army, I've never had an army defect with two generals in it...

ive started to use this tactic myself and it is working great. plus you cant beat having two spartan generals in your army.

**Cymera** · April 18, 2007, 03:18 PM

Doesn't work, if the leading general has a low loyalty, he will take the other one and the army with him. Take it from me, it happens.

**Maraxus** · April 18, 2007, 03:34 PM

heres some advice i read off of the CA website. Take all bad or disloyal generals put them one a single boat and send them on a cruise of enemy coastlines. Those generals wont be a hassle much longer. I'd rather have a small amount of great generals then a bunch of unreliable and incompetent ones.

**Zarax** · April 18, 2007, 04:45 PM

On the other side, we could take some examples from EB and have generals recovering loyalty if they are left to govern a city for long time, meaning that they would be appeased better that way...

**Cymera** · April 18, 2007, 04:55 PM

That sounds like a good idea Zarax, it would also be good if they recovered some loyalty by winning victory after victory.

**Zarax** · April 19, 2007, 03:53 AM

Well, that would be an option only if there was a way to "promote" your successful generals towards being a faction leader (so basically the faction heir would be the only one getting bonuses) meaning that the only rewards we can give are ancillaries or positive traits for having a governor position...

**Randal** · April 19, 2007, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Zarax

Well, that would be an option only if there was a way to "promote" your successful generals towards being a faction leader (so basically the faction heir would be the only one getting bonuses) meaning that the only rewards we can give are ancillaries or positive traits for having a governor position...

i thought about that also, would be cool if we could promote our generals up in the faction. like 4 strategos, 2 generals, 1 faction heir, and 1 faction leader. that way we can show our generals that we appreciate the carnage they are responsible for.

**Cymera** · April 19, 2007, 05:14 PM

Can certain traits or ancillaries give a positive loyalty bonus? Because I do not believe I have seen any that do.

**Zarax** · April 20, 2007, 09:35 AM

The strategos ancillary gives loyalty bonus, I don't know about others...

**Kara Kolyo** · April 20, 2007, 02:15 PM

strategos and it's roman eqivalent - proconsul give like 3 loyalty plus influence i think. my favourite Decius Mus aka Decius Grecus aka Decius the Conqueror always gets the proconsul title.... adding more old senate offices as ancilaries wouldn't hurt though. Same goes for the greeks