Nazism [Notorious GSC vs Akar] commentary thread

[The Stig]

Notorious GSC is sprouting Nazi-propaganda. I find this extremely offensive (no I am not Jewish).

So? We're all spouting anti-Nazi propanganda. It's all about whose propanganda is better

[The Holy Pilgrim]

Blacks can fight in military, they were in German army.

And Jews cannot?

I just so happen to have a list of Jewish War Heroes from WWII that proves otherwise:

• Abba Kovner (1918-1987) and Rozka Korczak-Marla (1921-1988) were leaders of Hashomer Hatzair, a Zionist youth movement. The two masterminded the Vilna Ghetto Uprising of 1942 and then fought Nazis in the Baltic woods. In Israel they set up Moreshet, a memorial to Jewish partisans, and taught about the Holocaust. Abba Kovner became a famous poet.
• Raymond Zussman (d 1944) was the son of Russian immigrants Russia. As 2nd lieutenant Zusman led a successful US tank attack on the German-held town of Naru La Borge. He fired until he ran out of ammunition and was slain. He killed 19 German soldiers, seized a further 93; and won a posthumous congressional medal of honor.
• Avigdor Goldsmid was a British Army major who in 1944 repulsed a fierce German attack on Goteshty, Russia. Three months later he led tanks and infantry to relieve the French town of Hologin. His courage and cunning won him a Military Cross.
• Avraham Etiah (b 1924), an Algerian-born Jewish hero who joined his nation's Cavalry Regiment in Italy, 1943. Twice in 1944 he captured enemy soldiers to glean vital intelligence. He gained a medal for launching daring raids in the Fico region. After a year in hospital, Etiah overcame many obstacles to arrive in Israel in 1949.

Source- http://www.bje.org.au/learning/people/famous/war2.html

Given the fact that just one Jew was successful in the Art of War debunks your claim of Jews not being able to fight, seeing as they clearly have the potential.

More evidence to debunk your claim of Jews not being fit to serve in the army:

Additional information about Second World War During the Second World Wars Jews played an active part that exceeds the proportion to their numbers in the general populations. Many will know the Jewish Brigade (1944-46), the 51st (mainly Jewish Palestinians) Middle East Commando, the SIG (Special Interrogation Group) Commando in North Africa, the Jewish members of SOE, and other Jewish groups of World War Two.
Below some information from the book “Striking Back: A Jewish Commando's War Against the Nazis” by Peter Masters, 1997
No 51 Middle East (Jewish) Commandos - consisting of about 87 German speaking Palestinian Jews - was to be formed into "a Special German Group as a sub-unit of M E Commandos with the cover name 'Special Interrogation Group', to be used for infiltration behind the German lines in the Western Desert, under 8th Army. 19 of the 87 died.
Below some names:
Dov Cohen, Bernard Lowenthal (3i) and Israel Carmi (who was later an officer in the Jewish Brigade and the Israeli Army (MT). Karl Kahane/Cahanna (3a Dolph Zeintner and Philip Kogel, Maurice "Monju" Tiefenbrunner a.k.a. Tiffen, Ariyeh Shai a.k.a. aka Sheinik/Sheikin, Rosenzweig, Corporal Drory, Goldstein and Rohr, Isaac "Harry" Levy, Peter Gottlieb, Vladimir Peniakoff and many others.

Source- http://www.jewishsphere.com/Director...WarHeroes.html

One does not make regiments of un-worthy fighters, am I right?

[Lysimachus]

Oh God this debate is terrible. Seriously, someone else take over from Akar, his mediocre debating is making GSC's views actually come across as reasonable

['Gunny]

JEEZ forget about whether Hitler was Catholic or if Christmas was Pagan or etc. etc. etc.

Go for the throat Akar!

[total war lover]

Akar is owning this guy. What notorious GSC says makes no sense at all and is false.

[Heavy Weapons Guy]

@ The Holy Pilgrim:

They aren't able to serve in German army, they will betray them and don't show patriotism when they fight for Germany.

[Claudius Gothicus]

@ The Holy Pilgrim:

They aren't able to serve in German army, they will betray them and don't show patriotism when they fight for Germany.

Ok, do you have any kind of statistical research that shows what percentage of the German States Military deserters were Jewish?

[Lysimachus]

@ The Holy Pilgrim:

They aren't able to serve in German army, they will betray them and don't show patriotism when they fight for Germany.

Just how the Slavic untermensch serving in the German armies were so willing to betray them?

By the way, the answer to that is NO. Of course there were unreliable units, but if we take this division as an example, there were quite clearly some both capable and willing to fight against the Soviets.

[The Holy Pilgrim]

@ The Holy Pilgrim:

They aren't able to serve in German army, they will betray them and don't show patriotism when they fight for Germany.

Why? Because their people were slaughtered in mass concentration camps that your so-called "Superior Race" created?

Let me ask you this, would you be willing to serve in a military that was killing off your family, friends, and country-men?

Your arguments need thought put into them. How do you expect to win with such little understanding about the opposing view? Think about what the Nazis did to the races that you hate so much before making assumptions on whether they'll disband or not.

Either provide sufficient statistics on how there were more Jews/Slavs disbanding from the German army than Germans, and perhaps your argument can go somewhere.

And here's something dismantle your claims of Jews not being worthy to fight in the name of Germany.

Contrary to conventional views, Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge),

Rigg demonstrates that the actual number was much higher than previously thought--perhaps as many as 150,000 men [Jews], including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals.

"The revelation that Germans of Jewish blood, knowing the Nazi regime for what it was, served Hitler as uniformed members of his armed forces..."
--John Keegan

Source- http://www.rense.com/general20/jewso.htm

[Manco]

If Jews were such bad soldiers, GSC will of course provide us with desertion figures from WWI or some numbers that show subpar performance. If he doesn't, he's just lying.

And why the hell hasn't his entire racial theory been destroyed? It's a ing open goal.

[The Stig]

If Jews were such bad soldiers, GSC will of course provide us with desertion figures from WWI or some numbers that show subpar performance. If he doesn't, he's just lying.

And why the hell hasn't his entire racial theory been destroyed? It's a ing open goal.

Agreed, this should have been over long ago, right now it's looking more like this. Image 27 to be exact

[total war lover]

GSC's "points" make no point at all. He's lying about stuff,and he clearly can't accept the fact that Nazi's are bad. (Not all of them just Nazism in particular.)

[DaVinci]

Yes. Did you thought I was trolling?



No Pain, no Gain it could have solved every our problem.

Lol.

Put all Nazis, Nationalists, Fashists, Imperialists, Extremists, Fundamentalists and especially Racists into a bag, close it firm, and sink it ... that might be (or would have been) able to solve some of our problems

[Heavy Weapons Guy]

Lol.

Put all Nazis, Nationalists, Fashists, Imperialists, Extremists, Fundamentalists and especially Racists into a bag, close it firm, and sink it ... that might be (or would have been) able to solve some of our problems

Only some. Nazis could have solved every problem.

If Jews were such bad soldiers, GSC will of course provide us with desertion figures from WWI or some numbers that show subpar performance. If he doesn't, he's just lying.

And why the hell hasn't his entire racial theory been destroyed? It's a ing open goal.

Nazis themselves blamed Jews for losing WW1 and you know it, so I don't need to show anything.

[Lysimachus]

Nazis themselves blamed Jews for losing WW1 and you know it, so I don't need to show anything.

Errr... actually you do. So desertion figures please?

It's taught in practically every school that the Germans post-WWI blaming Jews, Communists and Capitalism was pretty much used as a scapegoat to shift the blame to someone/something besides themselves, so it would be nice to see figures proving Jews were bad soldiers.

Besides, IIRC if you only had Jewish ancestry from grandparents or great-grandparents (can't remember which) you'd be allowed to sign up for the military anyway.

[total war lover]

Notorious GSC fails to comprehend the causae bellorum (causes of wars). He keeps blaming Jews for no apparant reason except that he is a Nazi himself and keeps making stuff up. My conclusion is that he is a Nazi, and we should leave him be in his little world.

[The Stig]

Nazis themselves blamed Jews for losing WW1 and you know it, so I don't need to show anything.

The Nazis used them as a scapegoat to gain power. It was really the entire German populace that was tired of dealing with the blockade.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

The whole of europe used the jews as a scapegoat and victamised them not just the Nazis.Hitler did not invent hatred of jews it was already there he just tapped into that hate and used it.Jewish people were hated in Russia also.Minority groups still get picked on today like roma gypsys

[DaVinci]

Only some. Nazis could have solved every problem.
...

Look, a real convinced Nazi is everything of those branches ...

Nationalists, Fashists, Imperialists, Extremists, Fundamentalists and especially Racists

... the worst political speci one can imagine. Such species cannot solve anything.

I don't know which books, and especially which teachers you have and/or had, but they must have been or are very very very bad. Please go and learn some historical, socio-cultural and political backgrounds, relations and facts, and throw away your "Mein Kampf" book.

[Dave Strider]

It was then poorly trained army, after 5 year it wouldn't be so. Even in 1942 it would be stronger military then German.

It was stronger because of numbers, concentrated defenses, and high morale. It only became actually "Stronger" in 1943 when the Soviets started to gain ground against the Germans again, and that was only due to vast shortages of Infantry and Supplies on the German's part. The Germans still had a chance of winning in 1942 if Hitler hadn't been such an absolute twonk when it came to military planning.