Another US backed coup in Egypt

**Papay** · July 06, 2013, 05:06 PM

Whats your opinion about this.Some clues
1)African union denounced the coup.EU and US refused to even use the word
2)ElBaradei is prime minister now.He was the chosen from the begining. When he failed in elections we put him through force
3)Egyptian stocks surged which is odd since the coup risks a civil war. Obviously some people dont care about that they just dont want MB in power
4)Egyptian army would never have taken that decision unless they didnt first consult US. Most higher army generals were trained in US

Its clear that we promote democracy only when they vote our parties. If they dont Plan B is ready

**Stavroforos** · July 06, 2013, 05:10 PM

I don't know if it's a US backed coup yet because I'm not sure how the Jews will profit.

**hellheaven1987** · July 06, 2013, 05:25 PM

Technically US has no need to back Egypt now; in 70s the aim was to pull Egypt out of Soviet influence, but since there is no Soviet now the alliance with Egypt is less important now.

**Papay** · July 06, 2013, 05:35 PM

US backed dayton agreement in 1979 between Egypt and Israel. Egypt agreed to sign peace with Israel and follow pro-western policy and as a reward Egypt receives money from US(actually Egypt is second only to Israel in that). MB came to power only to realize that the regime is heavily depended on foreign US aid. Morsi tried to change that and there the problems begun. Economic imperialism

**hellheaven1987** · July 06, 2013, 05:44 PM

Yes but the thing is that Egypt is not important to US now, regardless how White House express its concern. Egypt's position in US is more secondary that related to the benefit of EU, East Asia and Israel, but not a direct threat to US's own security.

**Papay** · July 06, 2013, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by hellheaven1987

Yes but the thing is that Egypt is not important to US now, regardless how White House express its concern. Egypt's position in US is more secondary that related to the benefit of EU, East Asia and Israel, but not a direct threat to US's own security.

Egypt is important for Israel.And that automatically makes Egypt important for US

**conon394** · July 06, 2013, 05:48 PM

Yep always blame the US - it some much easier that way...

Morsi dug his own grave - he needed to bring the army to heel but he chose to take a take route that alienated a large chunk/most of the non MB opposition that had toppled Mubarak. He failed to elaborate an Economic program and as such he lacked the power to stomp the Generals and allowed them all the room they needed to out maneuver him.

MB came to power only to realize that the regime is heavily depended on foreign US aid. Morsi tried to change that and there the problems begun. Economic imperialism

Its a bit hard to see how you can call the US dumping money down the Egyptian rat hole Economic Imperialism...

**priam11** · July 06, 2013, 05:54 PM

So this is the fault of the US? Great. Thread over. Next.

**Gaidin** · July 06, 2013, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by priam11

So this is the fault of the US? Great. Thread over. Next.

You know how it works. If its negative, it's the US's fault. If it's positive, it's not.

**hellheaven1987** · July 06, 2013, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Papay

Egypt is important for Israel.And that automatically makes Egypt important for US

That is if Israel cannot defend itself; even in worst situation when Egypt attack Israel, Israel can hold itself fairly well if US continue supplying munition, hence Egypt is not important even if it is hostile to Israel.

**2gutter67** · July 06, 2013, 06:01 PM

All I'm gonna say is this shouldn't be in the Political Academy. We're all crazy in here and do like, actual thinking...

**Papay** · July 06, 2013, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by conon394

Yep always blame the US - it some much easier that way...

Morsi dug his own grave - he needed to bring the army to heel but he chose to take a take route that alienated a large chunk/most of the non MB opposition that had toppled Mubarak. He failed to elaborate an Economic program and as such he lacked the power to stomp the Generals and allowed them all the room they needed to out maneuver him.

Its a bit hard to see how you can call the US dumping money down the Egyptian rat hole Economic Imperialism...

Then why US gave money to Egypt? Philanthropy? The Egyptian regime was dependant on US money. And when you depend on foreign aid you influence local policy. Morsi showed signs he tried to make an independent Egypt. Huge mistake. The coup was pre planned as all coups that are a result of complex convert negotiations. Demonstrators just helped the coup take place

**hellheaven1987** · July 06, 2013, 06:17 PM

The problem is not US aid, the problem is Egyptian military occupies too heavy role in Egypt's economy; a rough estimation suggest Egyptian military contributes 8% ~ 40% of GDP of Egypt, and with such large role in economy it is understandable why Egyptian military has large say in politic.

**Helel** · July 07, 2013, 03:56 AM

Originally Posted by Gaidin

You know how it works. If its negative, it's the US's fault. If it's positive, it's not.

You could also sub the word 'Israel' into that statement quite easily, it seems.

**SomaaTheLion** · July 07, 2013, 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by Papay

Whats your opinion about this.Some clues
1)African union denounced the coup.EU and US refused to even use the word
2)ElBaradei is prime minister now.He was the chosen from the begining. When he failed in elections we put him through force
3)Egyptian stocks surged which is odd since the coup risks a civil war. Obviously some people dont care about that they just dont want MB in power
4)Egyptian army would never have taken that decision unless they didnt first consult US. Most higher army generals were trained in US

Its clear that we promote democracy only when they vote our parties. If they dont Plan B is ready

1) These are just precautionary measures. The African Union will reinstate Egypt once things cool down.
2)There are speculations about him being the new PM but nothing official yet. And for the second time, no he did not participate in any previous elections. Get your facts straight.
3)The investors welcomed the revolution with joy as the new government will bring stability back to the country.
4) Actually, this is the first time in, let me say, 60 years that our country took a decision without any foreign countries having a say in it. The US may have had a part back in 2011 but this it was purely the work of the Egyptian people with the support of the military.

Originally Posted by Papay

US backed dayton agreement in 1979 between Egypt and Israel. Egypt agreed to sign peace with Israel and follow pro-western policy and as a reward Egypt receives money from US(actually Egypt is second only to Israel in that). MB came to power only to realize that the regime is heavily depended on foreign US aid. Morsi tried to change that and there the problems begun. Economic imperialism

We're not dependable on the US aid. I mean, the money helps, but it's not crucial. In the past couple of days money has been flooding in from other Arab countries in support of this revolution.
Another thing: The 1.5 billion dollars we receive in aid are part of the Camp David Accords. If the US denies us the money we have a right to receive, it annuls the agreements. We don't intend to declare war on Israel or anything like that but it will allow us to field much more needed troops in Sinai to keep the Islamist terrorist cells under the radar.