Anyone else dissappointed with the Islamic factions?

**River Lord** · September 22, 2016, 09:26 PM

First time today tried this mod and I totally agree with you mate. Ayyubids somehow better but Rums are totally a joke. p.s. Ayyubids are not as decent as other factions, just better than Rum.

Also Cumans are terrible. Why all horse archers have parthian shoot? How georgian horse archers can be better than Seljuq or Cuman? There are too many unbearable things and stopped playing very first day. I'm sorry for saying this, unit models are really good and I believe you worked a lot on this but mod has any balance when it comes to Islamic and Christian factions? Sadly no. A big big No.

Just check how many spear, sword type of units any Christian army has and check Rums. 1 spear, 2 axe... No shock cav (which is historically Seljuqs had shock cavalry) a few horse archers, no any top tier-unique ha at all. Why would anyone bother to play Seljuq on this mod? Well even the challenge has nothing to offer. Probably in first buildings you gonna get all units then rest of the game no need to focus anything because of monotone game-play.

Hope you guys do something to get balance and we enjoy this mod.

Greetings.

**Filips Augustus** · September 22, 2016, 09:36 PM

The rosters aren't finished yet. What you just played are demo versions. Just be patiënt.

**River Lord** · September 22, 2016, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by Filips Augustus

The rosters aren't finished yet. What you just played are demo versions. Just be patiënt.

I see. Good news indeed.

You're with development team? I hope you add Armenian Cavalry, Arabic and Persian warriors, Frankish(european in overall) knights, Romano-Frankish cavalry, Georgians, Daylami Infantry, Rus guards(from Ukraine) Siqlabis (Southern Slavic warriors) to Seljuq Army. They're all historically fought for the Sultan of Rum.

**dogukan** · September 23, 2016, 01:23 AM

I might be a little annoying about this but the new broken crescent really does have some amazing models for turkic units from anatolia to greater ıran area.

And they look reasonable if not accurate. Some really good looking seljukid and nomad style units as well as ghazis and tribal infantry with accurate helmets, armors, long braided hair and kaftans.
They are so cute and pretty

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**bigdaddy1204** · September 23, 2016, 04:27 AM

The Islamic factions are the most important for me, alongside the Empire of Nicaea.

I remember when Medieval 2 Total War came out, the Islamic and Byzantine factions were specifically disadvantaged versus the Catholic factions. For example, the Islamic factions could only build a dhow from the port, which is weaker than the equivalent Catholic unit from the same building. Same thing applied with the castle; western factions got knights, but Islamic ones only got the Arab cavalry, which was a weaker light cavalry unit. Also the distribution of starting provinces favoured the western factions, with a number of settlements anachronistically given to western factions when they were in fact under Islamic or Byzantine control at the start date. In addition, the unit rosters of the eastern factions were weaker generally, with lots of poor quality infantry and ranged units, and very few heavy troops. In addition, the number of factions was also unbalanced, with something like 18 Catholic factions and just three Muslim ones. And such good units as were available had to wait until late game. All in all, it was very unbalanced and very unfair.

I am certain that this mod will do a better job than that. I'll play the mod a bit more tonight to test this. (mostly I don't play because I'm waiting for the campaign).

**River Lord** · September 23, 2016, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by River Lord

I see. Good news indeed.

You're with development team? I hope you add Armenian Cavalry, Arabic and Persian warriors, Frankish(european in overall) knights, Romano-Frankish cavalry, Georgians, Daylami Infantry, Rus guards(from Ukraine) Siqlabis (Southern Slavic warriors) to Seljuq Army. They're all historically fought for the Sultan of Rum.

If anyone asks source for this;

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Btw, if you need any info or pic (I believe you also have lots of pics but just saying) I can provide whatever I have about Seljuqs.

Greetings.

**Påsan** · September 23, 2016, 01:15 PM

There's no point testing. 13th century arab factions cant match 16th century european ones. Wait until the arabs and turks get an update.

**You_Guess_Who** · September 23, 2016, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Påsan

There's no point testing. 13th century arab factions cant match 16th century european ones. Wait until the arabs and turks get an update.

You mean 15th Century? Its still a valid test if one matches Tier 1 Ayyubid/Rum units with Tier 1 Western units as well.

Tier 1 vs Tier 2/3? Well, that's would be obviously imbalanced (Because Tier 2&3 Middle Eastern Units are not yet on the mod, still need working)

**Kjertesvein** · September 23, 2016, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by River Lord

source

You're in no way obliged to cite a source, because what you're stating isn't very controversial.

In general, if you're going to provide sources, then you need to understand that this isn't a source. A source is a way for everyone to verify that what you're saying can be backed up by an informative authority on the topic. Both secondary sources (processed information, for example a book worked on by a relevant author) and primary sources (evidence which stems from the event as close in geography and time as possible) are fine. The latter is often better, but citing a plain text is neither. This is the internet and everyone can literally be anyone. The main point here is that we want to have a discussion based on knowledge, not trust.

~Wille