Another parade for massmigration

[Love Mountain]

Sorry I was mistaken, I meant CAFTA, which accelerated rather than decelarated the migration.

You didn't really have to clarify tbh. American FTAs typically favor American agriculture which is extremely efficient and enjoys significant subsidies as well. It's a two way street though, low skill jobs are brought by American companies as well as food imports that are cheaper than local production... The total trade volume is somewhere around 50 billion and the trade deficit for CAFTA-DR states is only a few billion. So it's not like there's nothing they produce.

100 migrants have been kidnapped from the caravan so far.

Around 100 members of a refugee and migrant caravan travelling towards the US have reportedly fallen victim to organised crime as they moved through Mexico.

Thousands streamed into Mexico City on Monday to seek shelter in a sports stadium on the eve of the US midterm elections in which Donald Trump has repeatedly warned about the advancing caravan and ordered thousands of troops to the border.

But around 100 members, including children, did not arrive in Mexico City because they were kidnapped along the route and handed to organised crime groups, Arturo Peimbert, ombudsman for the human rights commission in Oaxaca, told HuffPost Mexico.

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Reuters reported.
Read the full article at the link. I know this is simply the latest of many reports of mass migration. This one seems if the reporting is true to be a spontaneous migration simply happening because the media reported it had begun. I can see no difference between a spontaneous and a planned demonstration or parade though. It is still people wanting to defy not their own government, but the government and rules of another country. In this case the USA rules on immigration. Yes pack a back and get started. Bring the children as well. I fear this cannot end well for these people. Hondurus is not exactly a short walk to the USA border.

Yeah it's almost like the situation for these people must be so dire as for this journey and risk to be worth it. Funny that.

[Ludicus]

According to Mattis, defending troop deployment against caravan, cites Pancho ...

That's over a century ago, and the threat then was Pancho Villa's troops -- revolutionary raiding across the border into the United States

Trump's administration idiocy knows no limits.

[Heathen Hammer]

Note how democrats and mass media collectively stopped caring about this "parade" as soon as midterms are over.

[Diocle]

According to Mattis, defending troop deployment against caravan, cites Pancho ...Trump's administration idiocy knows no limits.

So, Ludicus my dear, tell me please, what would you do instead? Would you let them enter all together? So, the next week you'd have to face millions Mexicans asking to enter?

What do you think Ludicus, in Italy, today we have 6,000,000 immigrants, should we open again the doors, so that in the next ten years we get other 6 millions? Are you serious?

I say this because I think it's easy speaking from a small country into which actually nobody (or very, very, very few fools) wants to immigrate, instead Trump (as any other at his place) has to face millions and millions human beings
ready to enter the country coming from EVERY damn *** hole country of planet Earth! .. and this is simply and plainly not possible. Period.

Trump is doing what any other President of United States would do at his place, he's defending the borders of his country and I think this is one of, if not the main, of his constitutional duties.

Note how democrats and mass media collectively stopped caring about this "parade" as soon as midterms are over.

Yeah, of course! Filthy beggars!

[Heathen Hammer]

All of a sudden, Hispanic people became "taco vote" for Democrats once again. I guess you can make a Democrat pretend to leave a KKK meeting, but you'd never get the mentality out.

[PointOfViewGun]

Note how democrats and mass media collectively stopped caring about this "parade" as soon as midterms are over.

Yeah, of course! Filthy beggars!

Given that the coverage of the caravan revolved around Trump's response to it and that he stopped commenting on it since the midterms, sure, they might have stopped caring about it as it's weeks, if not months, away from reaching the US border. Beggars, indeed! If you don't like to use logic there of course...

[Love Mountain]

All of a sudden, Hispanic people became "taco vote" for Democrats once again. I guess you can make a Democrat pretend to leave a KKK meeting, but you'd never get the mentality out.

It's not really "all of a sudden". Minorities traditionally favor Democrats, because you know, they're generally less racist than Republicans.

[Heathen Hammer]

It's not really "all of a sudden". Minorities traditionally favor Democrats, because you know, they're generally less racist than Republicans.

So referring to Mexican Americans as "taco vote" or to black males as "super-predators" isn't racist?

[tgoodenow]

Hey so while we’re on the subject again, are any liberals willing to admit these countries are ss yet?

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Hey so while we’re on the subject again, are any liberals willing to admit these countries are ss yet?

I don't know why people like you don't understand anything at all on this stuff.

The issue isn't whether or not these countries are "s". The issue is that your highest elected official, your chief representative, casually described sovereign states with full American relations as s. It's undiplomatic, it's a failure of leadership, it's crude, it's unconstructive. It's another in the long list of this President's failings in the role.

The New York Times published the word "" for the first time in history when that happened. It was the first time in history the NYT felt the need to write that word in order to report the news.

[Heathen Hammer]

I recall American presidents doing worse things then saying mean things, like invading sovereign countries, bombing other sovereign countries, using puppet groups to overthrow legitimate governments, funding terrorism, organized crime and religious fundamentalism, the list could go on forever. Trump seems to be pretty tame on such things, and same people that were okay with his predecessors doing those things now criticize him for mean things he says clearly are the ones whose understanding is either limited by ignorance of bad faith.

[tgoodenow]

So now that we both agree that these countries are s; how many of their citizens does the United States need to take in before it’s acceptable that US citizens say “man there are a lot of you here, why can’t you fix your own country?”
Do you think the 1.2 million El Salvadorians who were born in El Salvador and came to the US (20% of their entire population) is enough to enact change in their own country so they don’t have to come economically displace the poorest in the US (mainly African Americans and other Hispanics)?

Why cant they have an “Arab spring” in Central America and throw these bums running their countries out?
Taking these people in solves nothing and only incentivizes more to come while their remains a .

[Vanoi]

An Arab Spring in Central America will just lead to instability and won't solve why people keep coming to the US. In fact it would probably make it worse.

[tgoodenow]

An Arab Spring in Central America will just lead to instability and won't solve why people keep coming to the US. In fact it would probably make it worse.

So then you’re advocating for the status quo of corrupt government with large swaths of land run by cartels ?

[Vanoi]

Tell me. How did the Arab Spring work out? Libya and Syria had civil wars. Egypt overthrew it's government, elected a new one, then overthrew that one. Pretty sure Tunisia's government also changed.

How is some kind of Central American Spring going to stop corruption and the gangs? At the end of the day gangs can always just kill you no matter if you want change or not. Corruption isn't going g to go away because of a new government. There are no simple easy solutions for this.

[tgoodenow]

Tell me. How did the Arab Spring work out? Libya and Syria had civil wars. Egypt overthrew it's government, elected a new one, then overthrew that one. Pretty sure Tunisia's government also changed.

How is some kind of Central American Spring going to stop corruption and the gangs? At the end of the day gangs can always just kill you no matter if you want change or not. Corruption isn't going g to go away because of a new government. There are no simple easy solutions for this.

Arm paramilitaries and let them destroy the cartels Colombia style. Only viable solution.

[Vanoi]

Arm paramilitaries and let them destroy the cartels Colombia style. Only viable solution.

You mean like the Los Pepe's? You do know that group had ties to the Colombian police and Search Block who Hunter Escobar. Not only that members of this group went on to form the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia, a paramilitary group responsible for massacres against civilians and they eventually went into drug trafficking themselves.

If you want to arm and fund a paramilitary death squad that will eventually start drig trafficking themselves go for it.

[tgoodenow]

You mean like the Los Pepe's? You do know that group had ties to the Colombian police and Search Block who Hunter Escobar. Not only that members of this group went on to form the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia, a paramilitary group responsible for massacres against civilians and they eventually went into drug trafficking themselves.

If you want to arm and fund a paramilitary death squad that will eventually start drig trafficking themselves go for it.

If it cuts the homicide rate in half like it did in Colombia and actually allows somewhat of a functioning economy, id say it’s worth of. Throwing money at the problem and allowing in millions of migrants hasn’t solved any problems in those countries.

[Vanoi]

Did you just ignore the massacres part and drug trafficking part? That's the kind of stuff that will drive more migrants to America. And advocating for arming a death squad? It's like you have no understanding of history at all.

The Los Pepes are not even the reason for Escobar's downfall. They helped but without the Colombian Search Bloc and the US assisting with their own funding the Los Pepe's would get no where.