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    Quote Originally Posted by Vuk View Post
    The people in Sodom and Gomorrhea were going to try and rape the angels, remember? They were evil and God knew their hearts. He searched and found none who weren't evil at heart and worthy of death. As soon as you can search people's hearts and go back in time, tell God that He was wrong.
    I guess I'll just trust the God that sees fit to kill all first-born males with having the moral foresight for bombing an entire city. Right?!

    I mean, you didn't show any real evidence of EVIL in these people. I saw no killing of babies on hot iron metal. You just said "God said they were evil" and were done with it.

    No, that is if it is proved that the woman lied. If she was raped, the guy was killed. If she lied about rape, she was.
    I called you one this. Twice.

    If she doesn't scream and is raped in a city, she is stoned to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephrelial View Post
    Probably he didn't but the knights of Templar,Hospitaller and Teutons were all at the sametime priests which was just great because right after slaying their foes and the battle is over they can pray at the sametime for the souls of their enemies as playing their good-halves,the priest halves

    And you are calmly,maturally and valiantly stand up to the hideous and horrible claims of infidels like myself,I respect that Vuc...

    Those were men using religion as justification for their own deeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peltasti View Post
    It sucks that my thread was so totally hijacked by Abortion, and religious fanatacism.
    Sorry. It was not by my design.
    I will make my last post on this thread.

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    1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)



    So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.



    The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."



    Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.



    Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. These sick bastards killed and raped an entire town and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more. How can anyone see this as anything but evil?



    2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)



    They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.



    Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.



    Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.



    3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)



    As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.



    What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?



    4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)



    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.



    What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.



    5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)



    If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.



    It is clear that God doesn't give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans "property".



    6) David's Punishment - Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)



    Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'

    Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." [The child dies seven days later.]



    This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick!



    7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)



    "When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."


    Once again God approves of forcible rape.



    8) Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)



    They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB)



    9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)



    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)



    10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)



    Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peltasti View Post
    /THREAD

    I would LOVE to tear that load of misquoted BS apart piece by piece, but we are intruding on someone else's thread. Start a new thread with this and let's continue there. EDIT: Later. I am going offline now. I may be back later today, if not, then tomorrow

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    I made it in the Ethos area. Labeled. "Was the Old Testament god evil?"

    For the record, I dig Jesus. They are just so different that its hard to consider them as coming from the same direction. Jesus if anything, did what sons always try to do to their fathers. He took what they built, and made something much better of it. In essence, he defeated Christianity, and rebuilt it in his image. Much like the Hebrews did to Israel.

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    Note though that for those cases in the Bible to be considered rape, one has to accept that it is possible to rape your wife.

    I get the feeling Vuk will disagree with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vuk View Post
    Pregnancy CAN kill people, but there are surgeries that can save the life of both the mother and child.
    Let's put it like this, if I was the child of a rapist and his victim I would much rather have the chance and life than to be murdered before or just after birth. It does not matter what you think, it is not your choice to make. You cannot decide that someone shouldn't be allowed to live because you think that their life would be empty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendylyn View Post
    Note though that for those cases in the Bible to be considered rape, one has to accept that it is possible to rape your wife.

    I get the feeling Vuk will disagree with that.
    LOL, a man cannot 'rape' his wife. Wives belong to the Husband just as children to the parents. Read Aristotle

    Quote Originally Posted by DimondLight View Post
    Except that if you were the child of a rapist and you were going to be aborted, you wouldn't know it.
    Abortion is a naughty word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vuk View Post

    I realize that you believe strongly in your religion, but I suggest that you take a little time to look into your "holy books" before you make a post like that.

    Vuk

    I don't. In fact, religion is more cultural and more of a national and ethnic heritage for me than it is a set of beliefs. Values vary from society to society and from class to class. The tone of my post was such because that guy blatantly attacked me without any knowledge about the issue. I feel sorry for someone who would defend a man who would generalize with so much ignorance and childishness.

    What I do believe is that it's very hypocritical to attack the Quran and defend the Bible or vice-versa. Both have incited men to do horrible things and both contain "objectionable" passages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vuk View Post
    No, that is if it is proved that the woman lied. If she was raped, the guy was killed. If she lied about rape, she was.
    Vuk
    The Old Testament does not say this, and you know it. You are just desperately trying to revise you're evil holy book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sextus Loverlord View Post
    I don't. In fact, religion is more cultural and more of a national and ethnic heritage for me than it is a set of beliefs. Values vary from society to society and from class to class. The tone of my post was such because that guy blatantly attacked me without any knowledge about the issue. I feel sorry for someone who would defend a man who would generalize with so much ignorance and childishness.

    What I do believe is that it's very hypocritical to attack the Quran and defend the Bible or vice-versa. Both have incited men to do horrible things and both contain "objectionable" passages.
    The Bible never incited people to do evil things because the Bible doesn't order people to do evil things. People have used it as an excuse to do evil things, but the things they did flew right in the face of the Bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vuk View Post
    The Bible never incited people to do evil things because the Bible doesn't order people to do evil things. People have used it as an excuse to do evil things, but the things they did flew right in the face of the Bible.
    Stoning people for being rape victims/homosexual/exercising freedom of speech is evil. It is barbaric, and the Old Testament is explicit and numerous in its orders on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendylyn View Post
    Note though that for those cases in the Bible to be considered rape, one has to accept that it is possible to rape your wife.

    I get the feeling Vuk will disagree with that.
    I consider rape forcibly having sex with someone against their will. I think that would be possible for someone to do with his wife. (though I doubt it is a common occurance)

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    women deserve a chance to lead we mean have waged war one against another killed one another but lets give women a chance maybe they will do allot better than us guys i 4 one know if not 4 mi girlfriend id be ****ed by now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian View Post
    women deserve a chance to lead we mean have waged war one against another killed one another but lets give women a chance maybe they will do allot better than us guys i 4 one know if not 4 mi girlfriend id be ****ed by now
    "i 4 one know if not 4 mi girlfriend id be ****ed by now" (sic)
    So she's forced you to be celebate, eh? Kinda goes against the principles of a gf.

    That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. The men are the ones who fight the wars and die. If women were in control, they would still wage wars, and the men would still be the ones fighting them.

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    Most western nations have women in the armed forces. Israel's armed forces are 50% women, and women are expected to perform national service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Most western nations have women in the armed forces. Israel's armed forces are 50% women, and women are expected to perform national service.
    Yes, I know. Women are so "free".
    You think that if men handed the world over to women tomorrow that there would still be women fighting? It doesn't make sense, women can't fight nearly as well. (and it is inhumane)

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    Women are perfectly acceptable for all governmental jobs in the western world, too. Britain has had a female Prime Minister. The current German Chancellor is female. The next American President is likely to be a woman.

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    Vuk you manage to be even more conservative then rush limbaugh (the TWC version) you should be proud
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