The Attempted Takeover of the US Government In 1934

[Elrond]

I would post the article in the scriptorium - so it can be archieved.

[Farnan]

Excuse me, but many believe that this plot was not a real plot, but more of a hoax someone tried to pull on the General, and the General thinking it was real reported it to congress. Either that or a hair-brained scheme by three men with no real backing.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/051118.html

[Rush Limbaugh]

FDR saved the US from both Communism and Fascism. I figured a Libertarian wouldn't want a true Fascist in control of the government, guess I was wrong...

Problem was that left nobody to save us from FDR.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Save us from FDR? SO you'd have rather this country go to anarchy? FDR made this country great and respected, although he probally should never have trusted Stalin.

[Black Hawk]

Sorry but that is incorrect. George Bush I's father and George Bush II's grandfather was named Prescott Sheldon Bush. He was a senator from Connecticut.



Prescott Bush is as much at fault for doing business with the Nazis as GM and Standard Oil. Bush did not make deals with Hitler during the war. His dealings with Germany ended in 1938. Be careful what you read on the internet.

You should read this:

Adolph Hitler
Meticulous research, including U.S. government records from the era, along with contemporaneous news stories from the New York Times and other papers is presented in the 1992 book entitled, "George Bush, The Unauthorized Biography" by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin, Published by The Executive Intelligence Review and located at http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm. The following is sourced entirely from Chapter II of this essential work. [Note: Although FTW does not always agree with conclusions reached by the Executive Intelligence Review, or its founder Lyndon La Rouche, we have never found a single flaw in any of their factual research. History is history, no matter who presents it. And this history is essential to understanding our era.]
George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, was the Managing Director of the investment bank Brown Brothers, Harriman from the 1920s through the 1940s. It was Brown Brothers, in conjunction with Averell Harriman, the Rockefeller family, Standard Oil, the DuPonts, the Morgans and the Fords who served as the principal funding arm in helping to finance Adolph Hitler's rise to power starting in 1923. This included direct funding for the SS and SA channeled through a variety of German firms. Prescott Bush, through associations with the Hamburg-Amerika Steamship line, Nazi banker Fritz Thyssen (pronounced Tee-sen), Standard Oil of Germany, The German Steel Trust (founded by Dillon Read founder, Clarence Dillon), and I.G. Farben, used the Union Bank Corporation to funnel vast quantities of money to the Nazis and to manage their American interests. The profits from those investments came back to Bush allies on Wall Street. Thyssen is universally regarded as having been Hitler's private banker and ultimate owner of the Union Bank Corporation.
Early support for Hitler came from Prescott Bush through the Hamburg-Amerika Steamship line -- also funded by Brown Bothers -- that funneled large sums of money and weapons to Hitler's storm troopers in the 1920s.
According to Tarpley and Chaitkin, "In May 1933, just after the Hitler regime was consolidated, an agreement was reached in Berlin for the coordination of all Nazi commerce with the U.S.A. The Harriman International Company... was to head a syndicate of 150 firms and individuals, to conduct all exports from Hitler Germany to the United States."
Furthermore, a 1942 U.S. government investigative report that surfaced during 1945 Senate hearings found that the Union Bank, with Prescott Bush on the board, was an "interlocking concern" with the German Steel Trust that had produced:
- 50.8% of Nazi Germany's pig iron
- 41.4% of Nazi Germany's universal plate
- 36% of Nazi Germany's heavy plate
- 38.5% of Nazi Germany's galvanized sheet
- 45.5% of Nazi Germany's pipes and tubes
- 22.1% of Nazi Germany's wire
- 35% of Nazi Germany's explosives
The business relationships established by Bush in 1923 continued even after the war started until they became so offensive and overt as to warrant seizure by the U.S. government under the Trading with the Enemy Act in 1942.
In 1942, "Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over Union Banking Corporation, in which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares...
"... all of which shares are held for the benefit of... members of the Thyssen family, [and] is property of nationals... of a designated enemy country."
"On October 28, the government issued orders seizing two Nazi front organizations run by the Bush-Harriman bank: the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation."
"Nazi interests in the Silesian-American Corporation, long managed by Prescott Bush and his father in law George Herbert Walker, were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act on Nov. 17, 1942..." These seizures of Bush businesses were reported in a number of American papers including The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal.
Prescott Bush went on to become an influential Republican Senator from Connecticut who went on to be a regular golfing partner of President Dwight Eisenhower. His attorneys were the lawyers John Foster and Allen Dulles, the later became the CIA Director under Eisenhower.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...1_carlyle.html

[Farnan]

Ummm....

Yea, I don't trust that site as it has an obvious agenda.

[Black Hawk]

Ummm....

Yea, I don't trust that site as it has an obvious agenda.

The site is making reference to an article written by another man in his book "George Bush, The Unauthorized Biography", they just made a summery of what was written.

http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm

[Lord Condormanius]

It is misleading to call the majority of these businesses "Bush businesses" as in many cases he was merely a shareholder. I'm pretty sure, but not entirely, that Prescott Bush owned 1 share of UB in 1942. The summary is as misleading as the book probably is. By most accounts, Prescott Bush was a stand-up guy whose politics did not remotely reflect those of his grandson.

...again, be careful what you read on the internet.

[JP226]

Some Americans regard our country as superior to other nations because we
don't change governments by coup d'état -- and we never have. Perhaps
because of our long tradition of power changing hands by election, we regard
our nation as immune to the use of force for political purposes.

I know this isn't your words Chai, but what was the ****ing Civil War over?!?!?!?

[Kiljan Arslan]

We would have had a scond civil war if that coup had had suceeded.

[Black Hawk]

It is misleading to call the majority of these businesses "Bush businesses" as in many cases he was merely a shareholder. I'm pretty sure, but not entirely, that Prescott Bush owned 1 share of UB in 1942. The summary is as misleading as the book probably is. By most accounts, Prescott Bush was a stand-up guy whose politics did not remotely reflect those of his grandson.

...again, be careful what you read on the internet.

Where in the articles I sited was he merely a shareholder?

How is the summary misleading?

The book has solid sources:

NOTES:

1. Office of Alien Property Custodian, Vesting Order No. 248. The order was signed by Leo T. Crowley, Alien Property Custodian, executed October 20, 1942; F.R. Doc. 42-11568; Filed, November 6, 1942, 11:31 A.M.; 7 Fed. Reg. 9097 (Nov. 7, 1942). See also the New York City Directory of Directors (available at the Library of Congress). The volumes for the 1930s and 1940s list Prescott Bush as a director of Union Banking Corporation for the years 1934 through 1943.
2. Alien Property Custodian Vesting Order No. 259: Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation; Vesting Order No. 261: Holland-American Trading Corp.
3. Alien Property Custodian Vesting Order No. 370: Silesian-American Corp.
4. The New York Times on December 16, 1944, ran a five-paragraph page 25 article on actions of the New York State Banking Department. Only the last sentence refers to the Nazi bank, as follows: `` The Union Banking Corporation, 39 Broadway, New York, has received authority to change its principal place of business to 120 Broadway. ''
The Times omitted the fact that the Union Banking Corporation had been seized by the government for trading with the enemy, and even the fact that 120 Broadway was the address of the government's Alien Property Custodian.
5. Fritz Thyssen, I Paid Hitler, 1941, reprinted in (Port Washington, N.Y.: Kennikat Press, 1972), p. 133. Thyssen says his contributions began with 100,000 marks given in October 1923, for Hitler's attempted `` putsch '' against the constitutional government.
6. Confidential memorandum from U.S. embassy, Berlin, to the U.S. Secretary of State, April 20, 1932, on microfilm in Confidential Reports of U.S. State Dept., 1930s, Germany, at major U.S. libraries.
7. Oct. 5, 1942, Memorandum to the Executive Committee of the Office of Alien Property Custodian, stamped CONFIDENTIAL, from the Division of Investigation and Research, Homer Jones, Chief. Now declassified in United States National Archives, Suitland, Maryland annex. See Record Group 131, Alien Property Custodian, investigative reports, in file box relating to Vesting Order No. 248.
8. Elimination of German Resources for War: Hearings Before a Subcommittee of the Committee on Military Affairs, United States Senate, Seventy-Ninth Congress; Part 5, Testimony of [the United States] Treasury Department, July 2, 1945. P. 507: Table of Vereinigte Stahlwerke output, figures are percent of German total as of 1938; Thyssen organization including Union Banking Corporation pp. 727-31.
9. Robert Sobel, The Life and Times of Dillon Read (New York: Dutton-Penguin, 1991), pp. 92-111. The Dillon Read firm cooperated in the development of Sobel's book.
10. George Walker to Averell Harriman, Aug. 11, 1927, in the W. Averell Harriman papers at the Library of Congress (designated hereafter WAH papers).
11. `` Iaccarino '' to G. H. Walker, RCA Radiogram Sept. 12, 1927. The specific nature of their business with Mussolini is not explained in correspondence available for public access.
12. Andrew Boyle, Montagu Norman (London: Cassell, 1967).
Sir Henry Clay, Lord Norman (London, MacMillan & Co., 1957), pp. 18, 57, 70-71.
John A. Kouwenhouven, Partners in Banking ... Brown Brothers Harriman (Garden City: Doubleday & Co., 1969).
13. Coordination of much of the Hitler project took place at a single New York address. The Union Banking Corporation had been set up by George Walker at 39 Broadway. Management of the Hamburg-Amerika Line, carried out through Harriman's American Ship and Commerce Corp., was also set up by George Walker at 39 Broadway.
14. Interrogation of Fritz Thyssen, EF/Me/1 of Sept. 4, 1945 in U.S. Control Council records, photostat on page 167 in Anthony Sutton, An Introduction to The Order (Billings, Mt.: Liberty House Press, 1986).
15. Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression--Supplement B, by the Office of United States Chief of Counsel for Prosecution of Axis Criminality, United States Government Printing Office, (Washington: 1948), pp. 1597, 1686.
16. `` Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation - [minutes of the] Meeting of Board of Directors, '' Oct. 31, 1930 (Harriman papers, Library of Congress), shows Averell Harriman as Chairman of the Board.
Prescott Bush to W.A. Harriman, Memorandum Dec. 19, 1930 on their Harriman Fifteen Corp.
Annual Report of United Konigs and Laura Steel and Iron Works for the year 1930 (Harriman papers, Library of Congress) lists `` Dr. Friedrich Flick ... Berlin '' and `` William Averell Harriman ... New York '' on the Board of Directors.
`` Harriman Fifteen Corporation Securities Position February 28, 1931, '' Harriman papers, Library of Congress. This report shows Harriman Fifteen Corporation holding 32,576 shares in Silesian Holding Co. V.T.C. worth (in scarce depression dollars) $1,628,800, just over half the value of the Harriman Fifteen Corporation's total holdings.
The New York City Directory of Directors volumes for the 1930s (available at the Library of Congress) show Prescott Sheldon Bush and W. Averell Harriman as the directors of Harriman Fifteen Corp.
`` Appointments, '' (three typed pages) marked `` Noted May 18 1931 W.A.H., '' (among the papers from Prescott Bush's New York Office of Brown Brothers Harriman, Harriman papers, Library of Congress), lists a meeting between Averell Harriman and Friedrich Flick in Berlin at 4:00 P.M., Wednesday April 22, 1931. This was followed immediately by a meeting with Wilhelm Cuno, chief executive of the Hamburg-Amerika Line.
The `` Report To the Stockholders of the Harriman Fifteen Corporation, '' Oct. 19, 1933 (in the Harriman papers, Library of Congress) names G.H. Walker as president of the corporation. It shows the Harriman Fifteen Corporation's address as 1 Wall Street--the location of G.H. Walker and Co.
17. Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression--Supplement B, op. cit., p. 1686.
18. Jim Flaherty (a BBH manager, Prescott Bush's employee), March 19, 1934 to W.A. Harriman.

• `` Dear Averell:
  In Roland's absence Pres[cott] thought it advisable for me to let you know that we received the following cable from [our European representative] Rossi dated March 17th [relating to conflict with the Polish government]....''

19. Harriman Fifteen Corporation notice to stockholders Jan. 7, 1935, under the name of George Walker, President.
20. Order No. 370: Silesian-American Corp. Executed Nov. 17, 1942. Signed by Leo T. Crowley, Alien Property Custodian. F.R. Doc. 42-14183; Filed Dec. 31, 1942, 11:28 A.M.; 8 Fed. Reg. 33 (Jan. 1, 1943).
The order confiscated the Nazis' holdings of 98,000 shares of common and 50,000 shares of preferred stock in Silesian-American.
The Nazi parent company in Breslau, Germany wrote directly to Averell Harriman at 59 Wall St. on Aug. 5, 1940, with `` an invitation to take part in the regular meeting of the members of the Bergwerksgesellsc[h]aft Georg von Giesche's Erben.... '' WAH papers.
21. Sept. 25, 1942, Memorandum To the Executive Committee of the Office of Alien Property Custodian, stamped CONFIDENTIAL, from the Division of Investigation and Research, Homer Jones, Chief. Now declassified in United States National Archives, Suitland, Maryland annex. See Record Group 131, Alien Property Custodian, investigative reports, in file box relating to Vesting Order No. 370.
22. George Walker was a director of American Ship and Commerce from its organization through 1928. Consult New York City Directory of Directors.
`` Harriman Fifteen Corporation Securities Position February 28, 1931, '' op. cit. The report lists 46,861 shares in the American Ship & Commerce Corp.
See `` Message from Mr. Bullfin, '' Aug. 30, 1934 (Harriman Fifteen section, Harriman papers, Library of Congress) for the joint supervision of Bush and Walker, respectively director and president of the corporation.
23. Cuno was later exposed by Walter Funk, Third Reich Press Chief and Under Secretary of Propaganda, in Funk's postwar jail cell at Nuremberg; but Cuno had died just as Hitler was taking power. William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1960), p. 144. Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression--Supplement B, op. cit., p. 1688.
24. See `` Elimination of German Resources for War, '' op. cit., pp. 881-82 on Voegler.
See Annual Report of the (Hamburg-Amerikanische-Packetfahrt-Aktien-Gesellschaft (Hapag or Hamburg-Amerika Line), March 1931, for the board of directors. A copy is in the New York Public Library Annex at 11th Avenue, Manhattan.
25. Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression--Supplement B, op. cit., pp. 1178, 1453-54, 1597, 1599.
See `` Elimination of German Resources for War, '' op. cit., pp. 870-72 on Schroeder; p. 730 on Groeninger.
26. Annual Report of Hamburg-Amerika, op. cit.
Baron Rudolph Schroeder, Sr. to Averell Harriman, Nov. 14, 1932. K[night] W[ooley] handwritten note and draft reply letter, Dec. 9, 1932.
In his letter, Baron Rudolph refers to the family's American affiliate, J. Henry Schroder [name anglicized], of which Allen Dulles was a director, and his brother John Foster Dulles was the principal attorney.
Baron Bruno Schroder of the British branch was adviser to Bank of England Governor Montagu Norman, and Baron Bruno's partner Frank Cyril Tiarks was Norman's co-director of the Bank of England throughout Norman's career. Kurt von Schroeder was Hjalmar Schacht's delegate to the Bank for International Settlements in Geneva, where many of the financial arrangements for the Nazi regime were made by Montagu Norman, Schacht and the Schroeders for several years of the Hitler regime right up to the outbreak of World War II.
27. Confidential memorandum from U.S. embassy, Berlin, op. cit.
28. U.S. Senate `` Nye Committee '' hearings, Sept. 14, 1934, pp. 1197-98, extracts from letters of Col. William N. Taylor, dated June 27, 1932 and Jan. 9, 1933.
29. American Ship and Commerce Corporation to Dr. Max Warburg, March 7, 1933.
Max Warburg had brokered the sale of Hamburg-Amerika to Harriman and Walker in 1920. Max's brothers controlled the Kuhn Loeb investment banking house in New York, the firm which had staked old E.H. Harriman to his 1890s buyout of the giant Union Pacific Railroad.
Max Warburg had long worked with Lord Milner and others of the racialist British Round Table concerning joint projects in Africa and Eastern Europe. He was an advisor to Hjalmar Schacht for several decades and was a top executive of Hitler's Reichsbank. The reader may consult David Farrer, The Warburgs: The Story of A Family (New York: Stein and Day, 1975).
30. Max Warburg, at M.M. Warburg and Co., Hamburg, to Averill [sic] Harriman, c/o Messrs. Brown Brothers Harriman & Co., 59 Wall Street, New York, N.Y., March 27, 1933.
31. This correspondence, and the joint statement of the Jewish organizations, are reproduced in Moshe R. Gottlieb, American Anti-Nazi Resistance, 1933-41: An Historical Analysis (New York: Ktav Publishing House, 1982).
32. Investigation of Nazi Propaganda Activities and Investigation of Certain Other Propaganda Activities: Public Hearings before A Subcommittee of the Special Committee on Un-American Activities, United States House of Representatives, Seventy Third Congress, New York City, July 9-12, 1934--Hearings No. 73-NY-7 (Washington: U.S. Govt. Printing Office, 1934). See testimony of Capt. Frederick C. Mensing, John Schroeder, Paul von Lilienfeld-Toal, and summaries by Committee members.
See New York Times, July 16, 1933, p. 12, for organizing of Nazi Labor Front at North German Lloyd, leading to Hamburg-Amerika after merger.
33. American Ship and Commerce Corporation telegram to Rudolph Brinckmann at M.M. Warburg, June 12, 1936.
Rudolph Brinckmann to Averell Harriman at 59 Wall St., June 20, 1936, with enclosed note transmitting Helfferich's letter.
Reply to Dr. Rudolph Brinckmann c/o M.M. Warburg and Co, July 6, 1936, in the Harriman papers at the Library of Congress. The file copy of this letter carries no signature, but is presumably from Averell Harriman.
34. Office of Alien Property Custodian, Vesting Order No. 126. Signed by Leo T. Crowley, Alien Property Custodian, executed August 28, 1942. F.R. Doc. 42-8774; Filed September 4, 1942, 10:55 A.M.; 7 F.R. 7061 (No. 176, Sept. 5, 1942.) July 18, 1942, Memorandum To the Executive Committee of the Office of Alien Property Custodian, stamped CONFIDENTIAL, from the Division of Investigation and Research, Homer Jones, Chief. Now declassified in United States National Archives, Suitland, Maryland annex. See Record Group 131, Alien Property Custodian, investigative reports, in file box relating to Vesting Order No. 126.
35. New York Times, May 20, 1933. Leading up to this agreement is a telegram which somehow escaped the shredder and may be seen in the Harriman papers in the Library of Congress. It is addressed to Nazi official Hjalmar Schacht at the Mayflower Hotel, Washington, dated May 11, 1933: `` Much disappointed to have missed seeing you Tuesday afternoon.... I hope to see you either in Washington or New York before you sail.
with my regards W.A. Harriman ''
36. Dulles to Bush letter and draft reply in WAH papers.
37. New York Times, Jan. 19, 1938.

[Lord Condormanius]

Where in the articles I sited was he merely a shareholder?

It doesn't say that in the article. That is my point.

How is the summary misleading?

The summary is misleading because it makes it sound as if Prescott Bush was dealing directly with the Nazis during the war, which he wasn't.

The book has solid sources:

It really doesn't matter what the bibliography says. Peole can use information in lots of ways. Just because something appears at the back of a book, does not mean that it is represented correctly in the text itself. Information can be manipulated in many ways...fairly easily.

[Black Hawk]

It doesn't say that in the article. That is my point.

So your point is that it didn't say that in the article, I think that is fairly obvious to anyone who read it.

The summary is misleading because it makes it sound as if Prescott Bush was dealing directly with the Nazis during the war, which he wasn't.

The article didn't say he was dealing directly with the Nazis, just that he was supplying the Nazis. He was helping an enemy of the united states in exchange for money, a war profiteer if you will.

It really doesn't matter what the bibliography says. Peole can use information in lots of ways. Just because something appears at the back of a book, does not mean that it is represented correctly in the text itself. Information can be manipulated in many ways...fairly easily.

No it is extremely important what the bibliography says since it is where the author got his information from, in this case his sources are solid. If you wish to disprove it, than please by all means do so.

[Rush Limbaugh]

The article didn't say he was dealing directly with the Nazis, just that he was supplying the Nazis. He was helping an enemy of the united states in exchange for money, a war profiteer if you will.

He was helping them while we were at war with them? Hey FDR supplied Russia and helped them take over half of europe. He supplied our biggest enemy ever.

[Lord Condormanius]

So your point is that it didn't say that in the article, I think that is fairly obvious to anyone who read it.

no kidding...you don't get it. What I am saying is that the article fails to mention that in most cases he was merely a shareholder.

The article didn't say he was dealing directly with the Nazis, just that he was supplying the Nazis. He was helping an enemy of the united states in exchange for money, a war profiteer if you will.

Well, the Nazi's weren't exactly an enemy of the United States at the time that Prescott Bush's companies were dealing with them, since, as far as I know, their dealings with them ended when Germany invaded Poland (a few years before the US was in the war). Therefore, it is hardly fair to call him a war profiteer. EDIT I correct myself. I think it was after the Krystallnacht (sp).

No it is extremely important what the bibliography says since it is where the author got his information from, in this case his sources are solid. If you wish to disprove it, than please by all means do so.

What do you think that means, "his sources are solid"? They are not worth a damn unless they are used correctly. And no, it doesn't matter a lick what the bibliography says if the sources are not accurately represented in the text itself. Having not read the book (and having no desire to read an obviously politically motivated "Unauthorized biography" of anyone, much less George Bush, I likely never will) I can't say for sure how the sources are used. What I can say is that the tone of the summary is not very objective.

P.S. You seem to be getting a little bit heated. Why not try to relax and have a friendly debate?

[Chaigidel]

sorry about the misnomer on prescott bush.


and I think that the people who would have us believe that this didnt happen are the same kinds of people who would attempt this sort of criminal act again.

this was not a hoax, there is extensive government documentation on its occurence--- butler was not a fool , not in the least.( so i find it hard to believe that it was a "hoax")

[Black Hawk]

no kidding...you don't get it. What I am saying is that the article fails to mention that in most cases he was merely a shareholder.

Here I'll highlight for you what the article mentions:

Adolph Hitler
Meticulous research, including U.S. government records from the era, along with contemporaneous news stories from the New York Times and other papers is presented in the 1992 book entitled, "George Bush, The Unauthorized Biography" by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin, Published by The Executive Intelligence Review and located at http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm. The following is sourced entirely from Chapter II of this essential work. [Note: Although FTW does not always agree with conclusions reached by the Executive Intelligence Review, or its founder Lyndon La Rouche, we have never found a single flaw in any of their factual research. History is history, no matter who presents it. And this history is essential to understanding our era.]
George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, was the Managing Director of the investment bank Brown Brothers, Harriman from the 1920s through the 1940s. It was Brown Brothers, in conjunction with Averell Harriman, the Rockefeller family, Standard Oil, the DuPonts, the Morgans and the Fords who served as the principal funding arm in helping to finance Adolph Hitler's rise to power starting in 1923. This included direct funding for the SS and SA channeled through a variety of German firms. Prescott Bush, through associations with the Hamburg-Amerika Steamship line, Nazi banker Fritz Thyssen (pronounced Tee-sen), Standard Oil of Germany, The German Steel Trust (founded by Dillon Read founder, Clarence Dillon), and I.G. Farben, used the Union Bank Corporation to funnel vast quantities of money to the Nazis and to manage their American interests. The profits from those investments came back to Bush allies on Wall Street. Thyssen is universally regarded as having been Hitler's private banker and ultimate owner of the Union Bank Corporation.
Early support for Hitler came from Prescott Bush through the Hamburg-Amerika Steamship line -- also funded by Brown Bothers -- that funneled large sums of money and weapons to Hitler's storm troopers in the 1920s.
According to Tarpley and Chaitkin, "In May 1933, just after the Hitler regime was consolidated, an agreement was reached in Berlin for the coordination of all Nazi commerce with the U.S.A. The Harriman International Company... was to head a syndicate of 150 firms and individuals, to conduct all exports from Hitler Germany to the United States."
Furthermore, a 1942 U.S. government investigative report that surfaced during 1945 Senate hearings found that the Union Bank, with Prescott Bush on the board, was an "interlocking concern" with the German Steel Trust that had produced:
- 50.8% of Nazi Germany's pig iron
- 41.4% of Nazi Germany's universal plate
- 36% of Nazi Germany's heavy plate
- 38.5% of Nazi Germany's galvanized sheet
- 45.5% of Nazi Germany's pipes and tubes
- 22.1% of Nazi Germany's wire
- 35% of Nazi Germany's explosives
The business relationships established by Bush in 1923 continued even after the war started until they became so offensive and overt as to warrant seizure by the U.S. government under the Trading with the Enemy Act in 1942.
In 1942, "Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over Union Banking Corporation, in which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares...
"... all of which shares are held for the benefit of... members of the Thyssen family, [and] is property of nationals... of a designated enemy country."
"On October 28, the government issued orders seizing two Nazi front organizations run by the Bush-Harriman bank: the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation."
"Nazi interests in the Silesian-American Corporation, long managed by Prescott Bush and his father in law George Herbert Walker, were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act on Nov. 17, 1942..." These seizures of Bush businesses were reported in a number of American papers including The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal.
Prescott Bush went on to become an influential Republican Senator from Connecticut who went on to be a regular golfing partner of President Dwight Eisenhower. His attorneys were the lawyers John Foster and Allen Dulles, the later became the CIA Director under Eisenhower.

If you wish to prove that he was a mere shareholder than present a link.

Well, the Nazi's weren't exactly an enemy of the United States at the time that Prescott Bush's companies were dealing with them, since, as far as I know, their dealings with them ended when Germany invaded Poland (a few years before the US was in the war). Therefore, it is hardly fair to call him a war profiteer. EDIT I correct myself. I think it was after the Krystallnacht (sp).

No their dealings continued with them until 1942 at which time the U.S. government stepped in and stopped them.

What do you think that means, "his sources are solid"? They are not worth a damn unless they are used correctly. And no, it doesn't matter a lick what the bibliography says if the sources are not accurately represented in the text itself. Having not read the book (and having no desire to read an obviously politically motivated "Unauthorized biography" of anyone, much less George Bush, I likely never will) I can't say for sure how the sources are used. What I can say is that the tone of the summary is not very objective.

You have yet to prove that they have been used incorrectly or that they aren't accurately represented in the text itself, where is your proof other than your word.

P.S. You seem to be getting a little bit heated. Why not try to relax and have a friendly debate?

If I seem like I'm getting a little heated is because you seem to answer over and over again without a single shred of evidence (link), you seem to want me to take your word for it. Not gonna happen.

Here are some more links for your enjoyment:

http://www.nycny.com/columns/guests/...n10-17-03.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...312540,00.html

He was helping them while we were at war with them? Hey FDR supplied Russia and helped them take over half of europe. He supplied our biggest enemy ever.

Link

edit

sorry about the misnomer on prescott bush.


and I think that the people who would have us believe that this didnt happen are the same kinds of people who would attempt this sort of criminal act again.

this was not a hoax, there is extensive government documentation on its occurence--- butler was not a fool , not in the least.( so i find it hard to believe that it was a "hoax")

Here is an article that talks about Bush's involvement in the coup, in the bottom you can listen to the radio report by the BBC.

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=195008

[Rush Limbaugh]

He was helping them while we were at war with them? Hey FDR supplied Russia and helped them take over half of europe. He supplied our biggest enemy ever.
Link

If you want a link to that your in a sad need of a basic lesson in history.

[Black Hawk]

If you want a link to that your in a sad need of a basic lesson in history.

I asked for a link because I don't know what you are speaking off, so what your quoting from is a history book. At least give me a time line or anything specific on said events.

The only thing I know about FDR supplying weapons to the Russians is during WW2, is that is what you are referring to I fail to see how it's the same as what Bush did. We weren't at war with the Russians at that time, in fact they where our allies.

If your talking about something else than please provide a link or something.

[Lord Condormanius]

You have yet to prove that they have been used incorrectly or that they aren't accurately represented in the text itself, where is your proof other than your word.

I'll provide evidence to dispute your claim as soon as you show me a source that is not a politically charged piece of propaganda like that Unauthorized biography or the website that did the review. They are not legitimate media. The book would never be accepted in an academic setting.