New Battle System has been made/released.

[Axe-Battler]

If anyone was interested...
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/downl...o=file&id=1366

1) Melees/Infantry:
All units defense skill drastically increased, and hit ratios of weapons all cut in half for every weapon type. The result is melees lasting up to three times longer.

2) Cavalry/Charges:
Cavalry charges are now solid, without killing anymore than 10-12 men in a charge, rather than before where an entire unit dies in a charge.
This was enabled by decreasing the mount mass of cavalry slightly, decreasing their charge bonus, then increasing ALL infantry mass and putting them at 2.
Cavalry now are better in melee, and have much more defense.
Now it looks like a charge, front line of inf die in charge, the rest engage the cavalry in melee.
Elite cavalry such as chivalric knights can beat their counter part dismounted chivalric knights in melee by a little.

3) Missile Infantry:
Are pathetic in melee, you will never see them even put up a descent fight against cavalry or solid infantry. They should be strictly for range...exceptions can be mongol infantry, aventuriers, but even they have been weakened.

4) Morale:
All morale is based as follows; 1, 4, 8, 12. In other words... poor, normal, good, excellent.
Meaning, elite units only get excellent morale, good units but not elite get good morale, descent but not good units get normal, and archers, crossbows, militias, poorer level horse archers get poor morale... the result, more strategic battles relying on better timing.

5) Unit Speed:
Unit movement speed decreased by about 25% altogether, terrains vary.

6) Pikes and Halberds:
A New pike and halberd system, no more useless spearwall or secondary weapons for halberdiers and pikemen.
Now, they are mobile, offensive as well as defensive, better against cavalry, more fun to use, and are also balanced, the AI also performs better without spearwall. (For those thinking the pikes will be unbalanced, they are not, I found the way of making them work without spearwall).

7) Elites No Longer Struggle to Beat lower class units:
From now on, elite units will just destroy non elite units, and will lose practically no casualties... this, is how it should be!

Installation: Extract the files from the rar to your main mtw2 data folder, use a batch file to run the mod.

Or, put it in a mod that does NOT use the files export_descr_unit or battle_movement_modifiers.

You can also make your own modfolder for this and it will work.

Permissions: Request to use this before you use it on your mod you plan to release.

[alqaedaarmy]

Great.. exactly what I want. The stat unit is unchanged - no need to remember new stat

[alqaedaarmy]

how do you switch between mod and vanilla? do I have to create some kind of folder?

[alqaedaarmy]

What qualifies as elite? Is my byzantine infantry elite? Where do you look at it?

[Axe-Battler]

http://twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=70942

read that page to learn how to use file first command line, make sure you have 1.2 installed first.

And elite, can't really be defined in words...

elite units are royal mamluks, qapukulus, feudal knights, chivalric knights, tzars gaurd, varangian guard, hussars, etc... etc... etc.... andything that's on top of the food chain.

[alqaedaarmy]

Its hard for a guy to do that without knowledge of coding.

[Vassago]

Sounds good, I'll have to give this a go sometime. I'm playing through a campaign in Stainless Steel at the moment, though. This will come next

[Little Legionaire]

Very good!

That's what i looking for such a mod. Longer battles, classic MTW fighting taste.

I'll try this mod immidiately.

Good job mate,

[Froggie5]

Looks very interesting. Could you elaborate on:

6) Pikes and Halberds:
A New pike and halberd system, no more useless spearwall or secondary weapons for halberdiers and pikemen.
Now, they are mobile, offensive as well as defensive, better against cavalry, more fun to use, and are also balanced, the AI also performs better without spearwall. (For those thinking the pikes will be unbalanced, they are not, I found the way of making them work without spearwall).


Also, how would you compare your system with the Real Combat mod?

Thanks

[Axe-Battler]

Looks very interesting. Could you elaborate on:

6) Pikes and Halberds:
A New pike and halberd system, no more useless spearwall or secondary weapons for halberdiers and pikemen.
Now, they are mobile, offensive as well as defensive, better against cavalry, more fun to use, and are also balanced, the AI also performs better without spearwall. (For those thinking the pikes will be unbalanced, they are not, I found the way of making them work without spearwall).


Also, how would you compare your system with the Real Combat mod?

Thanks

I've never tried real combat. It might be alot different.
Pikemen and halberdiers units no longer form spearwall(phalanx).

And they no longer use secondary weapons, for now on, they only use their pikes, no more swords, and are an offensive unit as well as defensive, they fight even better against cavalry now, and the AI performs better with them this way.

I'm not sure how else to explain it lol, just try it out and test a pike unit you'll see what I'm talking about once you use them.

[alqaedaarmy]

I cant find battle_map_movement.txt(spell?) and the other file, where are they located? I Ctrl+f already

[Axe-Battler]

They should be... did you install the mod yet?

I'm assuming you did since you posted a few days back on this.

They should be located in your main mtw2 data folder, or a modfolder made by you.

If you haven't installed them yet, they should be found in the rar file upon download.

[jaklei]

Pikemen screenshots anyone?

[joedreck]

interessting enough to download. very interessting

[Axe-Battler]

Pikemen screenshots anyone?

Does anyone have a screenshot they can put up for him of the pikes?

I'll try to get one tonight I might forget though.

[fenrir1]

i like the new spear system...when i first looked at it, no change...then i saw the kill %! like 10% more than other units? nice advantage for them=)

the only thing i found i dont know is how did you get the new attack/defense for the elite units? just made them up?

well, i still like it.

[Axe-Battler]

Well I started out the mod which originally was in my mtw classic, erm for my mtw classic mod. So it's based off of that.

I just decreased all hit ratios by half, then increased all units defense by 10.

From there, I decided what needed huge advantages, so I would weaken non elites by alot, then greatly increase the attack and defense of the elites.

I've seen from this stuff like norman foot knights with 1 unit take on around 4 or 5 units of spear militia and just waste them with only losing around 20 casualties.

Some might say it's too much, but hell that's what elites are! Ya know?

[Dred]

Been reading about a lot of mods and now its hard to know what i like untill i try it. I am gonna try a different mod when i get home but this mod sounds very interesting. When you say

All units defense skill drastically increased, and hit ratios of weapons all cut in half for every weapon type. The result is melees lasting up to three times longer.

and

I've seen from this stuff like norman foot knights with 1 unit take on around 4 or 5 units of spear militia and just waste them with only losing around 20 casualties.

Is there anyway you can setup a youtube video or something to demonstrate this? I would like to see how it enhances the battles. Course i may just end up trying later.

There are so many mods out there i wish it was easy to mix and match.

[Axe-Battler]

You'll have to try it, I don't know how to upload videos(or even make them).

I wouldn't be able to.

I'm sure you'll just try it, if you dislike it then just delete the two files from the download.

Just try a quick custom battle once you install...

take something like france vs spain...

set this up...

spain:
1 bodyguard
2 chivalric knights
2 feudal knights
4 chivalric foot knights
2 dismounted conquistadors

france:
1 bodyguard
2 lancers
2 feudal knights
4 dismounted chivs
2 dismounted nobles

then after that, try using ...
1 unit of dismounted feudals vs 1 unit of spear militia, see how badly the knights will dominate them!

[Matthias the great]

hello and about the stealth value, do you think it's interesting to upgrade that? or is it useless with the upgrade of defense??