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Unique / Custom Settlements for Strat Map
Hey everyone, so decided to create some unique settlements for the strategy map, and creating this thread to showcase them and discuss. The intent for these is to make them historically accurate for the starting period.
Constantinople
https://i.postimg.cc/KvwBh16R/20230614213233-1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/ZnC8SpjD/20230614213157-1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/XJ26DG2v/20230614213135-1.jpgI'll look into adding Galata tower and the chain, although the SSHIP peninsula is a little too small for it and expanding it could make it look odd.
Cairo
https://i.postimg.cc/66C1CFkT/20230614210252-1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/QMSkg91d/20230614210307-1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/qq4v0L1k/20230614210355-1.jpg
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Next one I'll look to make is either Rome or Jerusalem.
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Really cool and historical unique settlements!:lime:
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This is amazing. Please. Make this available for us to download. :)
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Making a unique settlement for every historic capital of the factions in the game would be awesome. I am positive the mod authors would add your work into the mod.
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keksimir
Making a unique settlement for every historic capital of the factions in the game would be awesome. I am positive the mod authors would add your work into the mod.
I have no idea how to do it, and integrate it, but I'm equally positive - if you make a minimod / patch that can just be applied to the mod, we'll do it. I'd guess it's possible since we've got such beautiful cities in the Tsardoms. Btw, you may use their stuff as we've got agreement to use our assetts mutually (and I already see my work in their patch for the Kiev faction).
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Yeap feel free to use and update/modify the settlement models from Tsardoms
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I have no idea how to do it, and integrate it, but I'm equally positive - if you make a minimod / patch that can just be applied to the mod, we'll do it.
It's pretty easy - I'll put a download up with instructions, but basically be a case of remove these sub-folders, replace with the ones in the download.
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Hi @Sin! Do you have more images and new strat map models for other settlements? I love your work! Give more historical flavour to sship mod!:thumbsup2
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https://i.postimg.cc/L4GGcvT7/20230705225447-1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/5yZB0X05/20230705225456-1.jpg
I've updated Constantinople with Pera (Galata) and given the city a better moat and made it look more like it would have before the 4th Crusade based on historical reconstructions that have been done. Interestingly enough, I didn't realise the Hagia Sophia was originally covered in white marble, but what we mostly see nowadays is what's left of the marble and the undercover red limestone.
Some of the reconstructions are below, with a link to one of the website showing it in further detail:
https://i.postimg.cc/xj4WrmMX/constantinople1.png
https://i.postimg.cc/9FPKDns7/constantinople2.png
https://i.postimg.cc/X7ZX39Pm/constantinople3.png
https://www.realmofhistory.com/2020/...-13th-century/
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Wooow really awesome as feel new model for Constantinople!!! I think is the best strat map model for Queen of the cities that i have ever seen! I would like see other famous settlements or historical capital for the mod!
On the other hand, also you make battle map models? For example double wall and monuments in Constantinople and you can see on the battle, Divide and Conquer mod (LOTR) have unique settlements but i think they have a lot of modders and it too much work...
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This is so awesome!! Such a great work.. The SSHIP with this will be even better. :)
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Mostly there with Jerusalem - while doing the research for what it looked like I found that the Dome of the Rock doesn't look exactly like it does today with the blue mosaics and golden spherical dome. All the depictions and sources I found from or closer to the crusades has it as a pointed dome, and a jade colour:
https://i.postimg.cc/0jyYpVyf/IMG-2732.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/1RMGB16r/thumbnail-IMG-2757.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/pdZrvRP0/thumbnail-IMG-2767.jpg
I'll post some screens of it in a bit.
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Some screens of Jerusalem:
https://i.postimg.cc/ncRzLxjM/20230706150657-1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/J0hsTzHV/20230706150708-1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/3RtXr6gh/20230706150718-1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/rs6rpkKv/20230706150750-1.jpg
I've used that first cartography I posted of Jerusalem as some inspiration for the colouring of the walls. In reality they weren't as pink, although they were made from a light-pink limestone, which is probably why the cartography had it as that - still I think it adds some nice contrast (which is good given the engines resolution isn't the best) and gives it some uniqueness but open to some feedback.
I might also make the Church of the Holy Sepulchre a little plainer and smaller, given the detail doesn't stand out too well and it's also far bigger than it should be, even for a strat model really ... it's as large as the Hagia Sophia and overshadows the Citadel :laughter:
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j.a.luna
Wooow really awesome as feel new model for Constantinople!!! I think is the best strat map model for Queen of the cities that i have ever seen! I would like see other famous settlements or historical capital for the mod!
On the other hand, also you make battle map models? For example double wall and monuments in Constantinople and you can see on the battle, Divide and Conquer mod (LOTR) have unique settlements but i think they have a lot of modders and it too much work...
Thanks - yes will look into a unique battle map for Constantinople. The modelling itself wouldn't be difficult, as I have a ton of textures for it, however the devil is in the detail in terms of walkmeshes and getting it into the game, so will have to see.
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Sin_
Thanks - yes will look into a unique battle map for Constantinople. The modelling itself wouldn't be difficult, as I have a ton of textures for it, however the devil is in the detail in terms of walkmeshes and getting it into the game, so will have to see.
Yes ! It would be great for unique battles!
Regarding Jerusalem i think is pretty cool have these "light-pink" walls and if it is historical so be it then...
But i see that Acre and Ascalan have both Vainilla model of castle...Is this for some reason?
-And we said that by having unique models there would be no problem if they increased in settlement level, for example to a huge city... Would Jerusalem continue to have the same model? As well as the rest of "normal" cities, they would continue to have the generic model...
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j.a.luna
But i see that Acre and Ascalan have both Vainilla model of castle...Is this for some reason?
I changed them to Middle Eastern, as it didn't make sense for it to have European architecture. Unfortunately the models for these aren't the best, so I might make them less cartoon Arabic in the future. I've changed it to Greek for the time being as it looks a little better.
Ascalan is owned by the Fatimids, so have left it as Middle Eastern.
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j.a.luna
And we said that by having unique models there would be no problem if they increased in settlement level, for example to a huge city... Would Jerusalem continue to have the same model? As well as the rest of "normal" cities, they would continue to have the generic model...
Yeah it's got the same model for all of the upgrades. I haven't hit the engine vertices limit yet, so will see how it goes. The existing SSHIP models, although better than standard SS haven't been optimised i.e. Jerusalem and Cairo have less vertices than a SSHIP Middle Eastern city. So if I hit it, I could possibly optimise the existing SSHIP ones if I really needed to.
I've played around with the Church of the Holy Sepulchre a little, made it smaller and improved the textures a little:
https://i.postimg.cc/7Ygnfkj1/20230706223559-1.jpg
I think the next city I'll look at is either Venice or Rome - I'll have a look at the ones for Tsardoms since Wallachian is happy for me to do so, and aim to improve the textures and reduce the vertices of the models.
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Perfect @Sin, it would be ideal if you could create unique models for all the historical capitals of factions and subfactions but that would be a lot of work... For now the most famous and important ones like the ones you say, Rome, Venice, Baghdad, Cordoba/ Granada, Paris, London, Kiev/ Novgorod...
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I'm probably the biggest sucker for custom settlements for the Strat map on this forum... And these look so so so sick it's crazy. Great work!
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Tsardoms Venice:
https://i.postimg.cc/7YngY3Hp/Venice-old1.png
Revised Venice
https://i.postimg.cc/ZK0X3xny/Venice-WIP1.png
Saint Mark's Basilica was built using the floor plans of the Church of the Holy Apostles in Constantinople - the version we see today is a little different in terms of the domes, and didn't have the columns, marble, mosaics etc. as those were stolen from Constantinople during the sack in the 13th century. I'll likely extend the land walls of Constantinople and add this version of Saint Mark's Basilica into it as the Church of the Holy Apostles, given that was nearly as important as the Hagia Sophia. I'll then retexture this one so it doesn't have all the mosaics and marble, given it would have looked more like this at the time:
https://i.postimg.cc/3xvHP5sB/San-Ma...nstruction.png
Tsardom's Venice full view:
https://i.postimg.cc/R0jrdPsY/Venice-old4.png
Newer full view:
https://i.postimg.cc/Qd1cVVLW/Venice-WIP4.png
There's still a handful of buildings I need to retexture/model, which you can probably spot. I've updated St Mark's Campanile (the bell tower in the square) as that's a fairly recent build (and the Tsardom's one is taller than the empire state :)), the old one from the time would have looked similar to the one I've done. The other thing I want to do is make the Doge's Palace next to St Mark's Basilica more accurate, as it should have looked similar to this:
https://i.postimg.cc/KjNMhcz3/ven-do...ace-4-blog.jpg
Technically, it would have been more of a castle at the time, but in 1172 Doge Ziani commissioned it to the above (well based on best estimates). It wasn't until about 300 years after the campaign start date it began looking more like it does today.
I've reduced the vertices in the old Tsardom's model by nearly 40%, so have plenty of details I can add without straining the engine as well!
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WOOW @SIN!!! You are a f... machine in strat map models! Pretty amazing and historical! i think this is what sship mod needed and was missing on his campaign map:thumbsup2
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This is really amazing!! :thumbsup2
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Absolutely freaking phenomenal!
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This is amazing, I'm looking forward to see this in-game.
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Anubis88
I'm probably the biggest sucker for custom settlements for the Strat map on this forum... And these look so so so sick it's crazy. Great work!
Thanks! Heh I admit I've done the same over the years, but it's a shame there aren't more modellers for historical settings in this.
Thanks for all the positive feedback to everyone else as well!
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Finished off Venice. I got a little disappointed with the detail not showing as well in game, so examined the lighting for the strat map as everything did look a little shiny. I found SSHIPS settings were at 125% Diffuse and 30% Specular!! Probably won't mean much to most, but those are ridiculously high for a game engine.
I've put them to a setting where you still get the sun is shining on buildings effect, but you don't lose the detail. Looking far better, along with the other cities I've previously done.
Venice before in Tsardom's:
https://i.postimg.cc/QtTHdvYt/20230710210005-1.jpg
New model:
https://i.postimg.cc/qBDHw006/20230713192136-1.jpg
I went a little extravagant and added bridges, which upped the vertices/poly count, but it's still about 30% less than the old model. I've found out that you can't have unique ports for factions - can only have one per culture, which is a shame. I updated the existing southern Europe port to make it look a little better and more Mediterranean, plopped it on the island near the Arsenal so it blends in and means the ships can leave from that famous shipyard.
https://i.postimg.cc/ZqmDxsMM/20230713192157-1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/DyjXgSYk/20230713192219-1.jpg
Next on my list is Baghdad, given it was the richest and largest city in the world during the Arabic Golden Age and hasn't been modelled by anyone yet:
https://i.postimg.cc/7hRh7WqC/Baghdad-01.png
https://i.postimg.cc/CKWVGp8p/ACMir-...-Overview.webp
I'll likely do Paris after that, as I haven't seen anyone release that city in a mod yet.
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Khevsur
Tbilisi
Would be interesting and pretty unique! I'll add it to the list.
Now onto the bad news :( I did some playing around with the custom cities, and found that upgrading another city overrides the faction creator you set in the strat map, so Thessalonica turned into Constantinople when I upgraded it to huge. Silly me as I was focusing on testing the upgrading for the unique cities.
I've been digging around for a solution or alternative way to get the cities in, but it appears the engine is just limited in that respect. The only options are:
1) Not have any unique cities
2) Sacrifice a faction for each unique city
3) Reserve huge cities for unique cities/capitals and they start out with huge walls, none of the prerequisites to get them would be needed, so they don't start out overly powerful than they should but obviously at an decent advantage. If you start a capital not as huge, once it gets upgraded it becomes unique (the problem is if you capture an enemy capital and upgrade, it will get your unique capital e.g. Venetians capture London and upgrade it to huge, London will look like Venice.
Looking through the files in mods with unique cities, I believe they've just gotten around this by limiting upgrading entirely and/or using unused factions, which I think takes away from a lot of aspects of the game. For SSHIP all the factions are used. Rather than limiting huge walls to only unique cities, you could always have lower level walls provide the next tiers perks so non-unique capitals can upgrade to an equivalent huge city e.g. large walls provides huge level defences and buildings, a village provides town level defences, buildings etc.
I kind of like the idea of capitals being strategic plus the bonus of them all having unique city models, but depends on what the Devs for SSHIP are comfortable with in order to get these cities onto the map.
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Ras:
https://ras.rs/utvrdjenja/stari-ras
https://oblakbeli.com/wp-content/upl...-600x400-1.jpg
The first two links are the only reference we have of what Ras would have looked like in the medieval period.
Very close to it is the "Trgoviste" area. Essentially a market area.
The other thing that can be added to the model is the Sopocani monastery: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Pudelek%29.jpg
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Bravo for the great model of the city of Venice! and wishing to see more unique models... but the problem you have encountered regarding the upgrades of the rest of the cities in unique models is a serious problem... That could ruin your work and the strat map models of sship mod... So is possible that you know if the developers of Tsardom mod could help you with this issue?, there will be some way to keep your historical city models and at the same time the rest of the generic models....
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Sin_
Would be interesting and pretty unique! I'll add it to the list.
Now onto the bad news :( I did some playing around with the custom cities, and found that upgrading another city overrides the faction creator you set in the strat map, so Thessalonica turned into Constantinople when I upgraded it to huge. Silly me as I was focusing on testing the upgrading for the unique cities.
I've been digging around for a solution or alternative way to get the cities in, but it appears the engine is just limited in that respect. The only options are:
1) Not have any unique cities
2) Sacrifice a faction for each unique city
3) Reserve huge cities for unique cities/capitals and they start out with huge walls, none of the prerequisites to get them would be needed, so they don't start out overly powerful than they should but obviously at an decent advantage. If you start a capital not as huge, once it gets upgraded it becomes unique (the problem is if you capture an enemy capital and upgrade, it will get your unique capital e.g. Venetians capture London and upgrade it to huge, London will look like Venice.
Looking through the files in mods with unique cities, I believe they've just gotten around this by limiting upgrading entirely and/or using unused factions, which I think takes away from a lot of aspects of the game. For SSHIP all the factions are used. Rather than limiting huge walls to only unique cities, you could always have lower level walls provide the next tiers perks so non-unique capitals can upgrade to an equivalent huge city e.g. large walls provides huge level defences and buildings, a village provides town level defences, buildings etc.
I kind of like the idea of capitals being strategic plus the bonus of them all having unique city models, but depends on what the Devs for SSHIP are comfortable with in order to get these cities onto the map.
I think we'd like to achieve 1, but 2 is out of question and not efficient.
Now for 3, I have a few questions to understand better:
(a) is it so that there's 1 unique model of a city per faction (as it replaced the huge city model)? I would mean that you can have only 30 models - but then if you'd introduce Thessaloniki (so 2 for the Romaioi), one of other faction would have no uniqe model.
(b) the moment when the map model changes is only when you upgrade from large_city to huge_city. What follows, you can upgrade from, say, town to large_town without that change of the model on map?
On your proposal:
- the "village" level is so rare on the SSHIP map that I would be positive on your proposal - we could do that;
- the issue is: there's so much other stuff (files) that should be adjusted as well, that it may be not reasonable to do that (alternative costs of our work, or just interests) - and in some aspects we may even be unable to get coding skills to change parts.
Anyway, me, I'm personally open to the discussion (don't know about @Macaras, @Belo, @kostic).
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I don't really remember what the issues with the custom settlements were. While i was with EBII i know it was rejected out of hand, but not because it wouldn't work gameplay wise, but because Rome/Carthage/Alexandria in 272BC would look different than Rome/Carthage/Alexandria in 100BC, so better to just have generic settlement :S.
IIRC it has to be a huge city that can't be upgraded for it to work properly. But i don't know what the limits were. I'll ask around
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Hey! Nice work!
The way we dealt with it in Tsardoms was to use huge city and citadel(highest castle) level only for the custom cities.
With "faction variants" mechanic from Kingdoms it means that you can have 2 custom city model for each faction + 2 per each culture.
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Miszel
Hey! Nice work!
The way we dealt with it in Tsardoms was to use huge city and citadel(highest castle) level only for the custom cities.
With "faction variants" mechanic from Kingdoms it means that you can have 2 custom city model for each faction + 2 per each culture.
Thanks for confirming - it's a shame you can't disable the functionality where upgrading a city overrides the faction creator, would solve all the issues :laughter:
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Jurand of Cracow
(a) is it so that there's 1 unique model of a city per faction (as it replaced the huge city model)? I would mean that you can have only 30 models - but then if you'd introduce Thessaloniki (so 2 for the Romaioi), one of other faction would have no uniqe model.
You can play around with who gets what, and can use Citadels if you run out of model "spaces", but that requires a bunch of work in converting Citadel mechanics to act as cities. In your example, you could give Lithuania a unique Thessalonika city model for their huge city, and just have their capital not be huge (so they'd only ever get a huge city by conquering another one), and then set Thessalonika to huge with a faction creator of Lithuania.
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Jurand of Cracow
(b) the moment when the map model changes is only when you upgrade from large_city to huge_city. What follows, you can upgrade from, say, town to large_town without that change of the model on map?
That's correct - any towns/cities below huge their upgrading isn't affected, they just upgrade as normal. We'd be ring-fencing huge cities for specific settlements, which goes on to the next point ...
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Jurand of Cracow
On your proposal:
- the "village" level is so rare on the SSHIP map that I would be positive on your proposal - we could do that;
- the issue is: there's so much other stuff (files) that should be adjusted as well, that it may be not reasonable to do that (alternative costs of our work, or just interests) - and in some aspects we may even be unable to get coding skills to change parts.
That is the issue, it would be a fair amount of work in the EDB bringing the level down potentially. It depends on how badly you'd want settlements that don't start out as huge initially to be upgraded to have the same benefits and capabilities of huge cities. If there are enough unique (huge) cities at the start, it probably isn't much of problem and makes capturing them more strategic. Again, they don't have to have all the upgraded buildings, just the walls.
There can also be huge cities that don't have a unique city model, it will just fall back to the cultures default huge city - the critical thing is that any huge city needs to set at the outset of the campaign start, and nothing can be upgraded to a huge city during the game.
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@Sin_, a few more questions:
- if a city starts the game at lower level (eg. town) - would it keep your map model through the consequtive upgrades: town->large_town->city->large_city?
- would your model be save-compatible (and your minimod would function like a patch)? I mean: a player may start in 1132 with the standard models, but then he could apply your mini-mimod in 1250 and only then the new models would appear in-game? If this is save-compatible than (1) it could be used even without any other adjustements, (2) your minimod could be tested agains pitfals before we get on the other files for adjustments.
Anyway, I think that a potential upgrade for a number of cities to huge cities should take place in the SSHIP game. In this context it's different from the Tsardoms mod.
However, I think we could get rid of the village level, rename the levels one-level bolow (village->town, town->large town etc.). Remaking the initial set of settlements should be feasible. Then EDB - also, I'd think. The EDCT - perhaps also. Then I don't know which other files would be concerned, frankly speaking.
As said, we could start doing it only after you make a reasonable set of models and test averything works. Reasonable I mean: at the end almost each faction (but Mongols and slaves) should have such a model, but close to 20 would also be ok. Maybe we could skip also some other, I don't know.
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Jurand of Cracow
@Sin_, a few more questions:
- if a city starts the game at lower level (eg. town) - would it keep your map model through the consequtive upgrades: town->large_town->city->large_city?
I can set it to do that, but you run into the problem of when you upgrade other settlements, it will switch to the unique model i.e. Jerusalem has the unique model for a city, large city and huge city, but when you upgrade a large town to a city as the Kingdom of Jerusalem, it will turn that town now turned city into another Jerusalem - it's why you'd have to reserve huge cities for the unique city models.
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Jurand of Cracow
- would your model be save-compatible (and your minimod would function like a patch)? I mean: a player may start in 1132 with the standard models, but then he could apply your mini-mimod in 1250 and only then the new models would appear in-game? If this is save-compatible than (1) it could be used even without any other adjustements, (2) your minimod could be tested agains pitfals before we get on the other files for adjustments.
Originally it would have been, as it is just graphical, but because we'd need to set the huge cities at the outset and nothing further, it wouldn't be. In theory you could have it save game compatible, you just would need to consciously not upgrade your cities to huge. Not sure how competent the AI is in upgrading it's cities tbh, never paid much attention to what they are doing in them :laughter:
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Jurand of Cracow
However, I think we could get rid of the village level, rename the levels one-level bolow (village->town, town->large town etc.). Remaking the initial set of settlements should be feasible. Then EDB - also, I'd think. The EDCT - perhaps also. Then I don't know which other files would be concerned, frankly speaking.
I could prob have a stab at it as a proof of concept. Looking at the files using Notepad ++:
- desc_strat should be able to move them down a level en-masse
- EDB to move the building reqs down a level, should be able to do it en-masse as well. Walls would need to be edited so it reflects on battle map.
- descr_settlement_mechanics will need to be moved down a level
- text > export_buildings to change the upgrade names
- text> event_titles to change the notification that a village/town/large town/city/large city is ready to be upgraded
- text > shared to change the actual names e.g. large city is now huge city.
The cities models for the cultures would also need to be renamed i.e. eastern_european_huge_city would need to be eastern_european_large_city (assuming you'd want to stick with the way the cities look as well).
Probably need to swap the UI for the settlement icons as well when you look at the settlement info, but not really important. How out of date are the 0.98 version of these files compared to what is currently being developed?
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Jurand of Cracow
As said, we could start doing it only after you make a reasonable set of models and test averything works. Reasonable I mean: at the end almost each faction (but Mongols and slaves) should have such a model, but close to 20 would also be ok. Maybe we could skip also some other, I don't know.
Not sure I could commit to creating a unique settlement for every faction - even 20 is a big ask but I was planning to do the most important ones, such as Constantinople, Cairo, Jerusalem, Baghdad, Venice, Rome, Florence, Milan, Paris, Cordoba, London, Kiev. Ultimately you could have one for every faction with this approach, but just need to be mindful of the engine's vertices limitation.
I'm fairly confident with the ones I have listed that limit wouldn't be reached. Even with the 12 or so listed, that's a nice amount of high quality, unique cities, and the rest can upgrade to default "huge" cities.
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Sin_
I can set it to do that, but you run into the problem of when you upgrade other settlements, it will switch to the unique model i.e. Jerusalem has the unique model for a city, large city and huge city, but when you upgrade a large town to a city as the Kingdom of Jerusalem, it will turn that town now turned city into another Jerusalem - it's why you'd have to reserve huge cities for the unique city models.
So it means that each of the unique settlements would need to be huge city from the very beginning? Well, this is a problem for most, but Constantinople, Baghdad, Cairo, Cordoba, maybe Fes, maybe Palermo (but not really, iirc I've included a link to an article discussion this issue in the Sicily historical thread). The great cities of Jerusalem, Venice, Florence, Paris, London, Kiev and other - these were not huge cities on 12th century. What's more, building them up and then upgrading is part of the gameplay.
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Sin_
Originally it would have been, as it is just graphical, but because we'd need to set the huge cities at the outset and nothing further, it wouldn't be. In theory you could have it save game compatible, you just would need to consciously not upgrade your cities to huge. Not sure how competent the AI is in upgrading it's cities tbh, never paid much attention to what they are doing in them
On the other hand, this would not be a problem in the SSHIP - we would simply disable upgrading all the cities to the level above 4 (ie large city becoming huge city).
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Sin_
How out of date are the 0.98 version of these files compared to what is currently being developed?
Not much, they are mostly the same.
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These models are absolutely gorgeous. Hopefully they make it into the game somehow!
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Re: Unique / Custom Settlements for Strat Map
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Originally Posted by
Sin_
Next one I'll look to make is either Rome or Jerusalem.
Hi @Sin_, just to tell you: we're looking forward for your mini-mod!
JoC
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Re: Unique / Custom Settlements for Strat Map
Are these city models make it to the game via mod?? Or maybe on future plans. :)
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Re: Unique / Custom Settlements for Strat Map
Unfortunatelly, Sin_ has disappeared withouth publishing his minimod...
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Re: Unique / Custom Settlements for Strat Map
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Originally Posted by
Jurand of Cracow
Unfortunatelly, Sin_ has disappeared withouth publishing his minimod...
it's bad
When you like something, you can and you tell everyone you will do it. Then you have to finish the job. This is how I think and this is how I act
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Re: Unique / Custom Settlements for Strat Map
wonderful , please could you make them available for download
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Re: Unique / Custom Settlements for Strat Map
A shame this hasn't got through till the end. It's difficult to do custom settlements, not only because of the graphical part, but also because of the scripts (editing the files in order to make them appear all the time and not be replaced when the cities/castles are upgraded). Nonetheless, I think that if the OP would have contacted the Tsardoms team, they would have been capable of giving him a hint or two. But above all, I hope that Sin_ is well, his/her last activity in the forum was already in september.
