The CROWNS system

[eyelurker]

yeas, but how would you code to demolish a landowner building in one settlement? not possible to code, you'd need to code to demolish it in all settlement of the faction.
actually, I'm thinking about having separate Landowners building chain for each culture. Then it'd be partially possible to be done.

Manually demolish. I say demolish the landowner is basicly just the way for waiting for the aggresive modifier to cooldown. Not a suggestion for auto demolish landowner.

What i should have said, wait two turn after you conquer a settlement before you attack again.

[Markmilan]

Just a suggestion as great mod but in this time period there was no "King of Britain".

I would suggest removing this crown and instead add separate crowns for England; Scotland; Ireland as follows:-

King of Scotland
Regions: Aberdeen; & Edinburgh

King of England
Regions: London, Norwich, Bristol, Lincoln, York, Caernarvon

Lord of Ireland
Regions: Dublin

You could add certain conditions before they can obtain.

Also very interestingly, during the 100 yrs war Edward III called himself "King of England & France" & Henry VIII "King of England, Ireland & France.

Anyway above would be cool titles if you're interested in adding/changing: Style of the British sovereign - Wikipedia

An English King calling himself King of England & of France (holding certain French territories i.e. Rennes, Normandy, Angers, Poitiers & Bordeaux) could also have serious implications in relations with the French.

Thanks

[Jurand of Cracow]

Hi Markmilan,
thanks for you historical input! The crown system is a compromise between gameplay and historicity. I think the conditions are well-described in the second or third entry in this thread, so I'd rather stick to the current system. Maybe if you'd make a minimod implementing your ideas, it would be useful for the other players?
cheers
JoC

[Slaytaninc]

It was very common for English kings to claim overlordship of the entire British Isles even though it never really happened until a Scottish king took the English throne after the end of the Tudors.

[a Dictator's Cigar]

crown_anatolia

Current situation: doesnÂ’t exist.

ModificationsÂ’ ideas
New concept: xx.
Gameplay perspective: ThereÂ’s the crown for the Turks but it consists of the provinces much more to the east. This crown would also be available for the Zenghids as a different direction of their expansion. Also, the Seljuqs fleeing from the Mongols would be able to get it.
Name of the crown: xxx
Title of the ruler: Sultan of Anatolia
Effects: Authority 2, Law 1, LocalPopularity 1 and tbd
Provinces: xxx.
Number of provinces: x.
Place of coronation: xx.
Building required for coronation: x.
Factions able to get it: Rum, Zenghids, Seljuks.
Pic to be used: to be created.
Ideas for distant future: none.
Maritime ambitions (not related to the crowns, to be used in future, only 2 provinces signifying ambitions of the faction): Sinope, Attalya.
Description: to be developed by the players.
Memo for future: has this crown been analyzed thoroughly?: No.

Rum version with 12 provinces.


Osman version with 13 provinces.



Status: implemented.

I wonder if the information above is relevant for the current version. I recently took control over the 12 "Rum version vrovinces" and my recently declared Sultan is fit and ready for crowning, although constantinople is still 60% muslim with only a Minerated Mosque at the moment. will be trying to Crown him, will update on it.

UPDATE: The Sultan was only crowned afte the Great Jama was complete in Constantinopole.

[Zeflute]

Greetings. I'm playing Zenghids currently and I've conquered the crusade state and Egypt, including Gaza. But I still can't be crowned while trying to meet all the requirement.
I've sit my leader in Jarusalem and every settlement else, can't be crowned, still "fit for crown". Help! My leader is soon to be dying.

The crown system is utterly frastruating!

[JB59114]

Greetings. I'm playing Zenghids currently and I've conquered the crusade state and Egypt, including Gaza. But I still can't be crowned while trying to meet all the requirement.
I've sit my leader in Jarusalem and every settlement else, can't be crowned, still "fit for crown". Help! My leader is soon to be dying.

The crown system is utterly frastruating!

I have the exact same problem.
The Zengid crown doesn't seem to work currently.

[kostic]

It seems to me that there is a dedicated thread for coronation issues. I know there are many reasons why this might not work properly:
1 - Check all required provinces
2 - Have 20,000 fl for the coronation
3 - Go to the appropriate city
4 - Have constructed a building specific to the faction (cathedral, jama, sanctuary, etc.)
5 - The inhabitants must be quite happy there and the city must not be besieged
6 - The leader must not have more than 7 auxiliaries
7 - The leader must be the only general in the city and must have the title of governor
8 - The leader must have at least 6 in authority and piety


This is what I had to check when I became - finally - a crowned Sultan when I played Egypt.
The crown appeared to me in the next round. Personally, I haven't seen a big difference in my empire after the coronation


I'm currently playing a VH/VH game with the Cumans and I'm really struggling !
A failure on a rebellious city, the loss of my easternmost city by the Byzantines, the attack of kyiv towards my capital, the assassination of 2 heirs by assassins from Byzantium forcing me to become a vassal of those here, the Georgians and the Rum Seldjuks are taking advantage of my weakness to attack me... I believe that my faction will not be able to hold out !

[JB59114]

It seems to me that there is a dedicated thread for coronation issues. I know there are many reasons why this might not work properly:
1 - Check all required provinces
2 - Have 20,000 fl for the coronation
3 - Go to the appropriate city
4 - Have constructed a building specific to the faction (cathedral, jama, sanctuary, etc.)
5 - The inhabitants must be quite happy there and the city must not be besieged
6 - The leader must not have more than 7 auxiliaries
7 - The leader must be the only general in the city and must have the title of governor
8 - The leader must have at least 6 in authority and piety


This is what I had to check when I became - finally - a crowned Sultan when I played Egypt.
The crown appeared to me in the next round. Personally, I haven't seen a big difference in my empire after the coronation


I'm currently playing a VH/VH game with the Cumans and I'm really struggling !
A failure on a rebellious city, the loss of my easternmost city by the Byzantines, the attack of kyiv towards my capital, the assassination of 2 heirs by assassins from Byzantium forcing me to become a vassal of those here, the Georgians and the Rum Seldjuks are taking advantage of my weakness to attack me... I believe that my faction will not be able to hold out !

https://imgur.com/gallery/yJgo5WV

What do I lack ?

[kostic]

https://imgur.com/gallery/yJgo5WV

What do I lack ?

He doesn't have the title of governor?

[JB59114]

He doesn't have the title of governor?

No, Faction leader has 7 ancillaries + more than 6 piety and authority + governor of Jerusalem wich has a Jama and is happy + more than 25000 gold in reserve.
Still not getting the Crown

[kostic]

It seems to me that he must have the title of governor of his capital. @Jurand, can you confirm?

[Jurand of Cracow]

It seems to me that he must have the title of governor of his capital. @Jurand, can you confirm?

no - no PT (provincial title) needed.

for the Zenghids it should work in Baghdad, Aleppo and Cairo.

;------------------------------------------- 0->1 Baghdad for the Muslim factions Trigger Crown_Fit_Baghdad_Islam
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement

Condition FactionIsLocal
and IsFactionLeader
and SettlementBuildingExists = education6_house_of_wisdom
and not IsUnderSiege
and GovernorLoyaltyLevel > loyalty_disillusioned
and Treasury > 20000
and Trait Crownholder > 1
and Trait Crownholder < 4

Affects Fit_Crown_abbasid 1 Chance 100
Affects Fit_Crown_rum 1 Chance 100
Affects Fit_Crown_zengid 1 Chance 100
Affects Fit_Crown_turks 1 Chance 100
Affects Fit_Crown_moors 1 Chance 100
Affects Fit_Crown_egypt 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------- 1->0 ------ zengid
Trigger Crown_zengid_UnFit
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd


Condition Trait Fit_Crown_zengid > 0


Affects Fit_Crown_zengid -1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------- 0->1 perhaps should be deleted - Zengids should have access to Egypt or Baghdad
Trigger Crown_zengid_Fit_Aleppo
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement

Condition FactionIsLocal
and FactionType zengid
and IsFactionLeader
and SettlementName Aleppo
and SettlementBuildingExists >= jama
and not IsUnderSiege
and GovernorLoyaltyLevel > loyalty_disillusioned
and Treasury > 20000
and Trait Crownholder > 1
and Trait Crownholder < 4

Affects Fit_Crown_zengid 1 Chance 100


;------------------------------------------- 0->1
Trigger Crown_zengid_Fit_Cairo
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement

Condition FactionIsLocal
and FactionType zengid
and IsFactionLeader
and SettlementName Cairo
and SettlementBuildingExists >= education7_al_azhar_mosque
and not IsUnderSiege
and GovernorLoyaltyLevel > loyalty_disillusioned
and Treasury > 20000
and Trait Crownholder < 4 ; either Legacy (2) or Lands_Conquered (3)
and Trait Crownholder > 1 ; just in case of a bug
and Trait Fit_Crown_zengid < 1 ; redundant but just in case

Affects Fit_Crown_zengid 1 Chance 100

[JB59114]

the settlement name is not Aleppo but halab in the 2023 version, I will still try it this week-end

[Jurand of Cracow]

the settlement name is not Aleppo but halab in the 2023 version, I will still try it this week-end

code name for Halab is Aleppo