Why You Should Not Pre-Order the Game!

[kronpas]

To the people who preorder fully expecting a buggy game. Stop preordering and maybe they'll learn and actually release games in a finished state.

What if I dont?

[stackero]

Not sure why people arguing with this , it is down to personal choice , the more company scam people the less preorder they will have , personally I like pre ordering game I am 100% sure I will buy for the little benefit ( Rome was one of those) and that is my choice , really no right or wrong here just a matter of personal choice.

I don't need anyone telling what I should do/ like/hate and that is the base of liberty, so many internet "dictators" in forums lately. I cant believe how people don't respect other opinion from both side of the fence and with my way or the highway attitude.

No body's trying to dictate to anyone, but we are trying to warn people, who's money is important to them and expect to get their moneys worth when they buy a product they saw as advertised.

Its your liberty to gamble your money any way you like, casinos, power ball tickets, or preorders from proven dishonest marketing gaming companies.

But a lot of us gamers have had enough of these preorder scams many gaming companies run. The customer has to take some of the blame for letting it go on for so long, you know people like you who preorder in a crap shoot hoping if the game is unfinished or broken they'll fix it.

They'll still be plenty of people who'll buy preorder but I assure you the level of preorders will be less and less as this ground swell spreads to others in other forums too. So if the warning words 'NO PREORDERS' offend you I'm sorry.

You'll be seeing a lot more of those words as time progresses and until the gaming industry gets the message, 'we're on to them so expect a big drops in preorders in the future, until you clean up your act.

YES, Its just a game, but people get tired of being cheated of their money and lied to and you now see a mini revolution taking place.So do as you will, nobody's stopping you. Risk your money as you chose. That's your liberty as it is ours to demand to not be cheated and lied to by dishonest companies.

Good Gaming

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

You are supposed to learn that blindly pre-ordering a game is only incentive for abusive practices. If you hold them to taking your money only AFTER they have delivered a polished product than we all come out ahead.

Well yeah but! I will keep preordering if I know I will buy the game no matter what , which was the case with rome 2, so Im happy that I saved 7,5 euro. and got to play day one.
and I wouldnt not call it blindly since I know its CA. ( shogun 2 was a mess for me)

[alhoon]

I have no regrets about preordering the game. I expected it to be way worse than it actually was on release.

[Huberto]

It's not so much that pre-ordering is responsible for buggy games, it's that pre-ordering makes it less likely that the games will be any good at all. You'll get a lot of games with little effort or craftsmanship put into them. Just cranked out for the sales. Something that is painfully obvious with Rome II.

Anyway I'm not going to argue about it anymore. Too many people have proven their Pavlovian response to anything CA/SEGA throws at them, making discussion practically pointless.

[wudang_clown]

I like how people hide their poor choices and bad investments behind grand words like "liberty" and "freedom". It's exactly the type of defensiveness the guy in the video is talking about.

Well, alright, it's your freedom of choice, but put that argument aside for a moment: it's objectively wrong to pre-order a game without checking it out first, because you are just giving your money to people who do not deserve it yet. And by giving them money they don't deserve yet you help them to abuse marketing tactics, and that's something that goes beyond your personal liberty, because ultimately it affects quality of the product and therefore it affects anyone who is interested to buy the product.

Right now people in gaming industry know that they can put any crap in pre-order, then make proper advertising campaign, and most customers will buy it anyway, because most customers either don't care or have that weird and distorted notion of personal liberty and freedom, which is simply buy, just buy and don't think about long term consequences, because it's your money.

The truth is: congratulations, like everyone else who pre-ordered you've just been ed by marketing folks, and with just the same marketing dildo. And companies simply learn that they can with customers like that, by doing great PR job, scoring 90% on Metacritic and make ordinary customers to believe they are paying money for a great product which, by the way, is temporarily great, great only on paper, since it hasn't been released yet and you haven't checked it out.

If you want to be humped this way, that's your liberty, indeed, but don't tell anyone else it's a good thing and nobody's business. It's everybody's business, because those are customers who set standards. If you buy crap, you will get crap next time, take that for granted. It's already ed up that most publishers don't even release any demos, so they can force everybody into thinking that if a game has high score on some Metacritic, it's worth buying. Why don't I see people whining that their liberty of judgement has been taken away, and now some "critics", whom nobody really knows, decide what is worth playing and what is not?

Well, I refuse to be ed. It should be every customer's commandment to always demand a demo, to not to pay for something you can't check out yourself. This way, automatically, companies' commandment would be to always provide a demo. Then they would actually make an effort to release something worth its price on day one, and not only on sale or in a bundle.

Otherwise, lame customers get lame products.

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

If you want to be humped this way, that's your liberty, indeed, but don't tell anyone else it's a good thing and nobody's business. It's everybody's business,

yes its my business, my money, my liberty and my damned Dodo. SO yeah I may harm the business, but I dont care for Im happy with what I got out of it.

[stackero]

I have no regrets about preordering the game. I expected it to be way worse than it actually was on release.

Okay, that's your right. Glad you have the trust, money and patience to put up with it all.

[Dago Red]

I like how people hide their poor choices and bad investments behind grand words like "liberty" and "freedom". It's exactly the type of defensiveness the guy in the video is talking about.

People don't really think, they just react. And often emotionally. It's often the same people acting emotionally -- yelling at others about this liberty and freedom -- who are the ones killing it for themselves.

People think it through. Your money talks to these companies, not your precious ideology. If you want freedom, wield the power you have (your money in this case) smartly and with great care.

yes its my business, my money, my liberty and my damned Dodo. SO yeah I may harm the business, but I dont care for Im happy with what I got out of it.

Congratulations on being one of the short-sighted, selfish people, perpetuating this flawed system which repeatedly screws everyone over. Way to go!



ps.
We need the release of a real game. Back to BC 2.4 release Wudang
; )

[kronpas]

Right now people in gaming industry know that they can put any crap in pre-order, then make proper advertising campaign, and most customers will buy it anyway, because most customers either don't care or have that weird and distorted notion of personal liberty and freedom, which is simply buy, just buy and don't think about long term consequences, because it's your money.

The truth is: congratulations, like everyone else who pre-ordered you've just been ed by marketing folks, and with just the same marketing dildo. And companies simply learn that they can with customers like that, by doing great PR job, scoring 90% on Metacritic and make ordinary customers to believe they are paying money for a great product which, by the way, is temporarily great, great only on paper, since it hasn't been released yet and you haven't checked it out.

Did those pre-odered ganged up on you at some point to make you butt-hurt this much? Your rage should be directed to CA, not your fellow players. You are painting yourself a clown .... oh wait, your avatar IS a clown :\ I dont really see the point of your post at all. If you want to rage, rage on official forum and wave your pitchfork at the devs, not us forumers. If you want to rally us to boycott CA, you ve already failed miserably.

I didnt even watch interviews, didnt even visit official site, didnt read hand-ons - was mostly surfing this forum before release and if you knew anything about this forum, it was full of whiners, complaints and the like. Yet I pre-ordered it since CA seemed to learn from Empire, Nap was smooth, and S2 was a great experience to me. I chose to pre-order on my own freewill, to show my support for the company.

On topic: if you asked me if I regret: no, theres nothing to regret over a mere $30. I havent even play the game past 10 hours yet, since I'm waiting for the last siege AI patch. But certainly I will reconsider pre-order the next big DLC/expansion pack/next game given CA's piss-poor effort on Rome 2. But I will buy them eventually when they get rid of bugs and be on 75% sale. There aint any other games on the market right now to even compete against Totalwar's in its niche. Paradox's grand strategy seires is in even more narrower niche than this one >.>

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

Congratulations on being one of the short-sighted, selfish people, perpetuating this flawed system which repeatedly screws everyone over. Way to go!

abit rude but some how true, dont really like to be called short-sighted, but it is my choice, and I stand by that choice becouse I had fun with it. So should it just lie and pretend to have a different opinion then my owned just so I can pleas people on twc? nope, becouse its my liberty, my freedom so what can I do? there is a lot different games that I didnt preordered. So I got crucifixed for this one game, and called degrading words?

[vietanh797]

Put the smart or lame aside:
I am a TW fan. I pre order the game from the series that I am a fan. Why should I regret if I know that I am helping the company that making my favourite series?
Sometimes you people called yourself a "fan" while you are just a player who never ever think about the company that making what you are playing.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

I have never ever pre-ordered a game, although I did buy Shogun 2 and Napoleon on release and I don't regret it. I would have bought Rome 2 on release but I didn't have any money, then I found out what a mess the game was and so when I got the money I decided that I would not buy it.
My fear with pre-orders is just that: you pay a bunch of money for a game and don't even know what it will be when you could just buy it after release maybe on a steam sale. I did know the danger of pre-order when my younger brother pre-ordered Halo 4 because supposedly they would not have enough copies on release day or you would get something really cool in the pre-order bonus. Basically he only got a crappy gun that he never uses as bonus and there were tonnes of games still left on release and he (also me) complains that the game wasn't as good as they hyped it up to be and he wishes he didn't get rid of Halo Reach.

[Radzeer]

Put the smart or lame aside:
I am a TW fan. I pre order the game from the series that I am a fan. Why should I regret if I know that I am helping the company that making my favourite series?
Sometimes you people called yourself a "fan" while you are just a player who never ever think about the company that making what you are playing.

That is admirable and should work exactly like this for small indie companies or fansites like TWC (re: recent donation drive). But CA does not need that type of support anymore, especially after their 40% budget increase fanfare. People surely don't think of supporting McDonalds just because they like their burgers.

[kronpas]

I have never ever pre-ordered a game, although I did buy Shogun 2 and Napoleon on release and I don't regret it. I would have bought Rome 2 on release but I didn't have any money, then I found out what a mess the game was and so when I got the money I decided that I would not buy it.
My fear with pre-orders is just that: you pay a bunch of money for a game and don't even know what it will be when you could just buy it after release maybe on a steam sale. I did know the danger of pre-order when my younger brother pre-ordered Halo 4 because supposedly they would not have enough copies on release day or you would get something really cool in the pre-order bonus. Basically he only got a crappy gun that he never uses as bonus and there were tonnes of games still left on release and he (also me) complains that the game wasn't as good as they hyped it up to be and he wishes he didn't get rid of Halo Reach.

They did put in free DLCs to lure people in, but in the end it s always the previous products' quality that earned people's support. Rome 2 might be considered a financial success, but it will take CA a while to persuade people to even think of pre-ordering their game again -_-"

[stackero]

People don't really think, they just react. And often emotionally. It's often the same people acting emotionally -- yelling at others about this liberty and freedom -- who are the ones killing it for themselves.

People think it through. Your money talks to these companies, not your precious ideology. If you want freedom, wield the power you have (your money in this case) smartly and with great care.



Congratulations on being one of the short-sighted, selfish people, perpetuating this flawed system which repeatedly screws everyone over. Way to go!



ps.
We need the release of a real game. Back to BC 2.4 release Wudang
; )

Talking sense. Good post.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

I'm sorry people, but you just never ever pre-order, it's a ing gamble.

[kieran12]

Just be weary from now on if a gaming company says no demo (no beta) I'll only be pre-ordering a game from now on if i get to play a demo first.

[Matjillam]

For the first time ever I was PATIENT with this Total War release

And thank God I was. I don't think I'll ever buy this game.

From what I can tell from the competent sources, this game isn't worth my time.

I still regret to this day spending money on Empire and Napoleon. Those were simply horrible and I've spent less than 50 hours on BOTH (not enjoying those hours very much, mostly playing desperately to try to make it fun).

Total War series is pretty dead to me And it saddens me, since I've been a loyal fan since Shogun. But the franchise is completely butchered.

[wudang_clown]

ps.
We need the release of a real game. Back to BC 2.4 release Wudang
; )

Ouch! Yes, master!

Did those pre-odered ganged up on you at some point to make you butt-hurt this much? Your rage should be directed to CA, not your fellow players. You are painting yourself a clown .... oh wait, your avatar IS a clown :\ I dont really see the point of your post at all. If you want to rage, rage on official forum and wave your pitchfork at the devs, not us forumers. If you want to rally us to boycott CA, you ve already failed miserably.

You can't see the point of my post, because you are thinking about my butt too much. Don't do that anymore.

That is admirable and should work exactly like this for small indie companies or fansites like TWC (re: recent donation drive). But CA does not need that type of support anymore, especially after their 40% budget increase fanfare. People surely don't think of supporting McDonalds just because they like their burgers.

Exactly.