The CROWNS system

[eyelurker]

yeas, but how would you code to demolish a landowner building in one settlement? not possible to code, you'd need to code to demolish it in all settlement of the faction.
actually, I'm thinking about having separate Landowners building chain for each culture. Then it'd be partially possible to be done.

Manually demolish. I say demolish the landowner is basicly just the way for waiting for the aggresive modifier to cooldown. Not a suggestion for auto demolish landowner.

What i should have said, wait two turn after you conquer a settlement before you attack again.

[Markmilan]

Just a suggestion as great mod but in this time period there was no "King of Britain".

I would suggest removing this crown and instead add separate crowns for England; Scotland; Ireland as follows:-

King of Scotland
Regions: Aberdeen; & Edinburgh

King of England
Regions: London, Norwich, Bristol, Lincoln, York, Caernarvon

Lord of Ireland
Regions: Dublin

You could add certain conditions before they can obtain.

Also very interestingly, during the 100 yrs war Edward III called himself "King of England & France" & Henry VIII "King of England, Ireland & France.

Anyway above would be cool titles if you're interested in adding/changing: Style of the British sovereign - Wikipedia

An English King calling himself King of England & of France (holding certain French territories i.e. Rennes, Normandy, Angers, Poitiers & Bordeaux) could also have serious implications in relations with the French.

Thanks

[Jurand of Cracow]

Hi Markmilan,
thanks for you historical input! The crown system is a compromise between gameplay and historicity. I think the conditions are well-described in the second or third entry in this thread, so I'd rather stick to the current system. Maybe if you'd make a minimod implementing your ideas, it would be useful for the other players?
cheers
JoC

[Slaytaninc]

It was very common for English kings to claim overlordship of the entire British Isles even though it never really happened until a Scottish king took the English throne after the end of the Tudors.

[a Dictator's Cigar]

crown_anatolia

Current situation: doesnÂ’t exist.

ModificationsÂ’ ideas
New concept: xx.
Gameplay perspective: ThereÂ’s the crown for the Turks but it consists of the provinces much more to the east. This crown would also be available for the Zenghids as a different direction of their expansion. Also, the Seljuqs fleeing from the Mongols would be able to get it.
Name of the crown: xxx
Title of the ruler: Sultan of Anatolia
Effects: Authority 2, Law 1, LocalPopularity 1 and tbd
Provinces: xxx.
Number of provinces: x.
Place of coronation: xx.
Building required for coronation: x.
Factions able to get it: Rum, Zenghids, Seljuks.
Pic to be used: to be created.
Ideas for distant future: none.
Maritime ambitions (not related to the crowns, to be used in future, only 2 provinces signifying ambitions of the faction): Sinope, Attalya.
Description: to be developed by the players.
Memo for future: has this crown been analyzed thoroughly?: No.

Rum version with 12 provinces.


Osman version with 13 provinces.



Status: implemented.

I wonder if the information above is relevant for the current version. I recently took control over the 12 "Rum version vrovinces" and my recently declared Sultan is fit and ready for crowning, although constantinople is still 60% muslim with only a Minerated Mosque at the moment. will be trying to Crown him, will update on it.

UPDATE: The Sultan was only crowned afte the Great Jama was complete in Constantinopole.

[Zeflute]

Greetings. I'm playing Zenghids currently and I've conquered the crusade state and Egypt, including Gaza. But I still can't be crowned while trying to meet all the requirement.
I've sit my leader in Jarusalem and every settlement else, can't be crowned, still "fit for crown". Help! My leader is soon to be dying.

The crown system is utterly frastruating!

[JB59114]

Greetings. I'm playing Zenghids currently and I've conquered the crusade state and Egypt, including Gaza. But I still can't be crowned while trying to meet all the requirement.
I've sit my leader in Jarusalem and every settlement else, can't be crowned, still "fit for crown". Help! My leader is soon to be dying.

The crown system is utterly frastruating!

I have the exact same problem.
The Zengid crown doesn't seem to work currently.

[kostic]

It seems to me that there is a dedicated thread for coronation issues. I know there are many reasons why this might not work properly:
1 - Check all required provinces
2 - Have 20,000 fl for the coronation
3 - Go to the appropriate city
4 - Have constructed a building specific to the faction (cathedral, jama, sanctuary, etc.)
5 - The inhabitants must be quite happy there and the city must not be besieged
6 - The leader must not have more than 7 auxiliaries
7 - The leader must be the only general in the city and must have the title of governor
8 - The leader must have at least 6 in authority and piety


This is what I had to check when I became - finally - a crowned Sultan when I played Egypt.
The crown appeared to me in the next round. Personally, I haven't seen a big difference in my empire after the coronation


I'm currently playing a VH/VH game with the Cumans and I'm really struggling !
A failure on a rebellious city, the loss of my easternmost city by the Byzantines, the attack of kyiv towards my capital, the assassination of 2 heirs by assassins from Byzantium forcing me to become a vassal of those here, the Georgians and the Rum Seldjuks are taking advantage of my weakness to attack me... I believe that my faction will not be able to hold out !

[JB59114]

It seems to me that there is a dedicated thread for coronation issues. I know there are many reasons why this might not work properly:
1 - Check all required provinces
2 - Have 20,000 fl for the coronation
3 - Go to the appropriate city
4 - Have constructed a building specific to the faction (cathedral, jama, sanctuary, etc.)
5 - The inhabitants must be quite happy there and the city must not be besieged
6 - The leader must not have more than 7 auxiliaries
7 - The leader must be the only general in the city and must have the title of governor
8 - The leader must have at least 6 in authority and piety


This is what I had to check when I became - finally - a crowned Sultan when I played Egypt.
The crown appeared to me in the next round. Personally, I haven't seen a big difference in my empire after the coronation


I'm currently playing a VH/VH game with the Cumans and I'm really struggling !
A failure on a rebellious city, the loss of my easternmost city by the Byzantines, the attack of kyiv towards my capital, the assassination of 2 heirs by assassins from Byzantium forcing me to become a vassal of those here, the Georgians and the Rum Seldjuks are taking advantage of my weakness to attack me... I believe that my faction will not be able to hold out !

https://imgur.com/gallery/yJgo5WV

What do I lack ?

[kostic]

https://imgur.com/gallery/yJgo5WV

What do I lack ?

He doesn't have the title of governor?

[JB59114]

He doesn't have the title of governor?

No, Faction leader has 7 ancillaries + more than 6 piety and authority + governor of Jerusalem wich has a Jama and is happy + more than 25000 gold in reserve.
Still not getting the Crown

[kostic]

It seems to me that he must have the title of governor of his capital. @Jurand, can you confirm?

[Jurand of Cracow]

It seems to me that he must have the title of governor of his capital. @Jurand, can you confirm?

no - no PT (provincial title) needed.

for the Zenghids it should work in Baghdad, Aleppo and Cairo.

;------------------------------------------- 0->1 Baghdad for the Muslim factions Trigger Crown_Fit_Baghdad_Islam
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement

Condition FactionIsLocal
and IsFactionLeader
and SettlementBuildingExists = education6_house_of_wisdom
and not IsUnderSiege
and GovernorLoyaltyLevel > loyalty_disillusioned
and Treasury > 20000
and Trait Crownholder > 1
and Trait Crownholder < 4

Affects Fit_Crown_abbasid 1 Chance 100
Affects Fit_Crown_rum 1 Chance 100
Affects Fit_Crown_zengid 1 Chance 100
Affects Fit_Crown_turks 1 Chance 100
Affects Fit_Crown_moors 1 Chance 100
Affects Fit_Crown_egypt 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------- 1->0 ------ zengid
Trigger Crown_zengid_UnFit
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd


Condition Trait Fit_Crown_zengid > 0


Affects Fit_Crown_zengid -1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------- 0->1 perhaps should be deleted - Zengids should have access to Egypt or Baghdad
Trigger Crown_zengid_Fit_Aleppo
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement

Condition FactionIsLocal
and FactionType zengid
and IsFactionLeader
and SettlementName Aleppo
and SettlementBuildingExists >= jama
and not IsUnderSiege
and GovernorLoyaltyLevel > loyalty_disillusioned
and Treasury > 20000
and Trait Crownholder > 1
and Trait Crownholder < 4

Affects Fit_Crown_zengid 1 Chance 100


;------------------------------------------- 0->1
Trigger Crown_zengid_Fit_Cairo
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement

Condition FactionIsLocal
and FactionType zengid
and IsFactionLeader
and SettlementName Cairo
and SettlementBuildingExists >= education7_al_azhar_mosque
and not IsUnderSiege
and GovernorLoyaltyLevel > loyalty_disillusioned
and Treasury > 20000
and Trait Crownholder < 4 ; either Legacy (2) or Lands_Conquered (3)
and Trait Crownholder > 1 ; just in case of a bug
and Trait Fit_Crown_zengid < 1 ; redundant but just in case

Affects Fit_Crown_zengid 1 Chance 100

[JB59114]

the settlement name is not Aleppo but halab in the 2023 version, I will still try it this week-end

[Jurand of Cracow]

the settlement name is not Aleppo but halab in the 2023 version, I will still try it this week-end

code name for Halab is Aleppo

[santamolti]

9. Spain (13/15: Castille, 13: Portugal, 15: Aragon, has also own crown: 12) - available for all three factions in Toledo (with cathedral, this means rebuilding the castle into the city), for Aragon in Palermo with Palazzo dei Normanii.


so what now? do i need alcazar as spain or a cathedral? it says alcazar in this thread but also cathedral in this passage. would be pretty stupid to be required to make toledo a city for this.
can anyone explain what im missing? i have all the 13 regions, the money, the less than 7 ancillaries, the required traits + piety/authority.
still no crown...

[j.a.luna]

See here, you can obtain the crown with the last level of Alcazar building in Toledo.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post15587262

[santamolti]

yes, i did read that. the first sentence of mine indicates that its a cathedral, tho.

also im not getting the crown, although i dont miss anything

[Jurand of Cracow]

;------------------------------------------- 1->0  					------ ARAGON ------
Trigger Crown_aragon_UnFit
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd


 Condition Trait Fit_Crown_aragon > 0


 Affects Fit_Crown_aragon -1 Chance 100
 
;------------------------------------------- 0->1	
Trigger Crown_aragon_Fit_Zaragoza
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement
 
 Condition FactionIsLocal
	and FactionType aragon
	and IsFactionLeader									
	and SettlementBuildingExists >= alcazar3_granada_alhambra_gardens	; coronation in Toledo, Granada, Zaragoza
	and not SettlementBuildingExists >= alcazar7_lisbon					; but not in Lisbon, Fes, Tunis
	and not IsUnderSiege
    and GovernorLoyaltyLevel > loyalty_disillusioned
	and Treasury > 20000
	and Trait Crownholder > 1
	and Trait Crownholder < 4
	and Trait Fit_Crown_aragon < 1
	
 Affects Fit_Crown_aragon 1 Chance 100


;------------------------------------------- 0->1	
Trigger Crown_aragon_Fit_Palermo
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement
 
 Condition FactionIsLocal
	and FactionType aragon
	and IsFactionLeader
	and SettlementBuildingExists = south_italy_building5_palazzodeinormanii		; coronation in Palermo
	and not IsUnderSiege
    and GovernorLoyaltyLevel > loyalty_disillusioned
	and Treasury > 20000
	and Trait Crownholder > 1
	and Trait Crownholder < 4
	and Trait Fit_Crown_aragon < 1
	
 Affects Fit_Crown_aragon 1 Chance 100
 
;------------------------------------------- 0->1	
Trigger Crown_aragon_Fit_AI
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement
 
 Condition not FactionIsLocal
	and IsFactionLeader
	and FactionType aragon
	and not IsUnderSiege
	
 Affects Fit_Crown_aragon 1 Chance 100  


;------------------------------------------- 1->0  			 	------ SPAIN ------
Trigger Crown_spain_UnFit
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd


 Condition Trait Fit_Crown_spain > 0


 Affects Fit_Crown_spain -1 Chance 100
 
;------------------------------------------- 0->1	
Trigger Crown_spain_Fit
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement
 
 Condition FactionIsLocal
	and FactionType spain
	and IsFactionLeader
	and SettlementName Toledo									; coronation in Toledo
	and SettlementBuildingExists = alcazar5_toledo				; large city level
	and not IsUnderSiege
    and GovernorLoyaltyLevel > loyalty_disillusioned
	and Treasury > 20000
	and Trait Crownholder > 1
	and Trait Crownholder < 4
 
 Affects Fit_Crown_spain 1 Chance 100


;------------------------------------------- 0->1	
Trigger Crown_spain_Fit_AI
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement
 
 Condition not FactionIsLocal
	and IsFactionLeader
	and FactionType spain
	and not IsUnderSiege
	
 Affects Fit_Crown_spain 1 Chance 100  




;------------------------------------------- 1->0  			 		------ PORTUGAL ------
Trigger Crown_portugal_UnFit
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd


 Condition Trait Fit_Crown_portugal > 0


 Affects Fit_Crown_portugal -1 Chance 100
 
;------------------------------------------- 0->1	
Trigger Crown_portugal_Fit
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement
 
 Condition FactionIsLocal
	and FactionType portugal
	and IsFactionLeader
	and SettlementName Lisbon										; coronation in Lisbon
	and SettlementBuildingExists = alcazar7_lisbon
	and not IsUnderSiege
    and GovernorLoyaltyLevel > loyalty_disillusioned
	and Treasury > 20000
	and Trait Crownholder > 1
	and Trait Crownholder < 4
 
 Affects Fit_Crown_portugal 1 Chance 100


;------------------------------------------- 0->1	
Trigger Crown_portugal_Fit_AI
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement
 
 Condition not FactionIsLocal
	and IsFactionLeader
	and FactionType portugal
	and not IsUnderSiege
	
 Affects Fit_Crown_portugal 1 Chance 100

;========== Crown of SPAIN ==============================;;------------------------------------------
Trigger crown_aragon_Lands_Conquered_aragon
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


Condition Trait Fit_Crown_aragon > 0
 and FactionType aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Zaragoza = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Pamplona = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Valencia = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Murcia = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Toulouse = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Arles = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Cagliari = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Barcelona = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Palma = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Bari = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Reggio = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Naples = aragon
 and not HasAncType crown
 
 AcquireAncillary crown_aragon chance 100


;------------------------------------------
Trigger crown_aragon_Lands_Conquered_spain
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


Condition Trait Fit_Crown_aragon > 0
 and FactionType aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Leon = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Toledo = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Santiago = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Murcia = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Burgos = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Cordoba = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Granada = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Badajoz = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Sevilla = aragon 
 and I_SettlementOwner Valladolid = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Pamplona = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Palma = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Valencia = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Zaragoza = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Barcelona = aragon
 and not HasAncType crown
 
 AcquireAncillary crown_spain chance 100
 
;------------------------------------------
Trigger crown_aragon_Legacy
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


Condition Trait Fit_Crown_aragon > 0
 and FactionType aragon
 and Trait Crownholder > 2
 and Trait Crownholder < 4
 and not HasAncType crown
 
 AcquireAncillary crown_aragon chance 100
 
;------------------------------------------
Trigger crown_aragon_AI
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


Condition not FactionIsLocal
 and Trait Fit_Crown_aragon > 0
 and FactionType aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Leon = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Toledo = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Pamplona = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Valencia = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Murcia = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Burgos = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Zaragoza = aragon
 and I_SettlementOwner Barcelona = aragon
 and not I_WorldwideAncillaryExists crown_spain
 and not HasAncType crown
 
 AcquireAncillary crown_aragon chance 100




;------------------------------------------
Trigger crown_spain_Lands_Conquered_WithPortugal
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


Condition Trait Fit_Crown_spain > 0
 and FactionType spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Leon = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Toledo = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Santiago = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Murcia = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Burgos = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Cordoba = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Granada = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Badajoz = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Sevilla = spain 
 and I_SettlementOwner Valladolid = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Silves = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Coimbra = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Lisbon = spain
 
 AcquireAncillary crown_spain chance 100


;------------------------------------------
Trigger crown_spain_Lands_Conquered_WithAragon
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


Condition Trait Fit_Crown_spain > 0
 and FactionType spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Leon = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Toledo = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Santiago = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Murcia = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Burgos = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Cordoba = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Granada = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Badajoz = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Sevilla = spain 
 and I_SettlementOwner Valladolid = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Pamplona = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Palma = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Valencia = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Zaragoza = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Barcelona = spain
 
 AcquireAncillary crown_spain chance 100




;------------------------------------------
Trigger crown_spain_Legacy
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


Condition Trait Fit_Crown_spain > 0
 and FactionType spain
 and Trait Crownholder > 2
 and Trait Crownholder < 4
 
 AcquireAncillary crown_spain chance 100
 
;------------------------------------------
Trigger crown_spain_AI
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


Condition not FactionIsLocal
 and Trait Fit_Crown_spain > 0
 and FactionType spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Leon = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Toledo = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Pamplona = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Valencia = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Santiago = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Murcia = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Burgos = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Zaragoza = spain
 and I_SettlementOwner Badajoz = spain
 and not I_WorldwideAncillaryExists crown_spain
 
 AcquireAncillary crown_spain chance 100




;------------------------------------------
Trigger crown_portugal_Lands_Conquered
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


Condition Trait Fit_Crown_portugal > 0
 and FactionType portugal
 and I_SettlementOwner Leon = portugal
 and I_SettlementOwner Toledo = portugal
 and I_SettlementOwner Santiago = portugal
 and I_SettlementOwner Murcia = portugal
 and I_SettlementOwner Burgos = portugal
 and I_SettlementOwner Cordoba = portugal
 and I_SettlementOwner Granada = portugal
 and I_SettlementOwner Badajoz = portugal
 and I_SettlementOwner Sevilla = portugal 
 and I_SettlementOwner Coimbra = portugal
 and I_SettlementOwner Lisbon = portugal
 and I_SettlementOwner Silves = portugal
 and I_SettlementOwner Valladolid = portugal
 
 AcquireAncillary crown_spain chance 100


;------------------------------------------
Trigger crown_portugal_Legacy
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


Condition Trait Fit_Crown_portugal > 0
 and FactionType portugal
 and Trait Crownholder > 2
 and Trait Crownholder < 4
 
 AcquireAncillary crown_spain chance 100
 
;------------------------------------------
Trigger crown_portugal_AI
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


Condition not FactionIsLocal
 and Trait Fit_Crown_portugal > 0
 and FactionType portugal
 and I_SettlementOwner Leon = portugal
 and I_SettlementOwner Toledo = portugal
 and I_SettlementOwner Santiago = portugal
 and I_SettlementOwner Murcia = portugal
 and I_SettlementOwner Burgos = portugal
 and I_SettlementOwner Cordoba = portugal
 and I_SettlementOwner Granada = portugal
 and I_SettlementOwner Zaragoza = portugal
 and I_SettlementOwner Badajoz = portugal
 and not I_WorldwideAncillaryExists crown_spain
 
 AcquireAncillary crown_spain chance 100