Test 5.8 Openbeta_2 (12\13\2008 )

[Taiji]

1. I will if Repman tells me to, it will badly affect the Mongols when they are played by AI. They have an important role for most players as a fearsome foe, anything I do to nerf them will reduce that fear and so the fun that goes with it.

2. Sorry, I don't know.

You're right that they don't seem set up well for a human player, I'd suggest playing a different faction.

[arostine]

Hello great mod... Have just recently started playing this mod. Got an "unspecified error will now exit" while playing france in historical campaign were moving one stack of peasant crossbowmen back to the southern most castle when this happened. Got dlv 5.0+5.6+5.74+open beta v2 installed in that order

[CelticPagan]

Anyone have any luck yet tracking down that pesky CTD when the AI's turn switches to Hungary? Every few turns I get this bug, and it is annoying to constantly restart the game.

[Divinehammer]

In the next version can we get rid of the cost of the war draft. I can understand it making your cities unhappy but having it cost so much when you are already generally losing money due to lack of trade with the person you are at war with, makes battles on 2 fronts hard to take on. You still have to buy units and the unhappy cities you have to lower taxes on so that is penalty enough,IMO.

[Xtiaan72]

This is the last reference I can find in the change logs regarding battle AI changes:

Patch 5.73  not savecompatibel to older betas
-bugfixing anfd little changes
- accelerated campaign turns
- added penalties -10, -20 gov_points for offensive_to_nobles, inspire_civil_war traits of the factionleader
- added boni +1 gov_point for ancillaries: ring, coin, key of the governors
- fixed crashes: dungeon, sardinia, 100 gov points
- some new Tokus Graphics
- more historical decriptions: thanks to Hekk
- more fire, explosions, dust, 
- included Real Horses 1.0: thanks to Argent Usher
- 3 piece artillery:  thanks to Furin
- reduced cavalry spread
- fixed 5.6 bugs: education, units thanks to Dave Scarface, names,...
- Crimson Tide Bloodmud-mod 3.0 (partially): thanks to Magus
- reduced unrest effects of jewish temple and requirement for merchants: 3,5,10,15,15 %
- changed Campaign\Battle AI parameters
- new pics for: well, synagogue
- extracosts for besieging a fort in home territory: 1000 Fl.
- new punishment buildings: dungeon->execution place->torture chamber (only in metropolis settlements)
- refined hording: thanks to Furin
- added fieldcosts for diplomats\princess: 300 p.turn in enemy land
- 2 orthodox monk groups: Cenobitic Monasticism (=dominicans), Hesychast Monasticism (=Fransiscan) + buildings\traits
- 2 islam priest groups: Sunni (=dominicans), Sufi (=Fransiscan) + buildings\traits
- changed garrison script: faster, only player-AI not AI-AI, only every 10 turns possible
- deleted vanilla custom campaign
- included warhorn sounds from BBW Mod
- reduced population requirement for huge cities
- big stone castles for greek and middle_eastern: thanks to Agart
- 2 rank point systems : governmental + military

Repman,

I really like this AI, it's doing some really good things I like to see...( Flanking, Covering Archers)... There are even less problems with charging enemy generals...But it seems we are still getting some battle freezes with Unlimited Men On BattleField (Multi Stack AI reinforcements)......Not sure how you want to deal with this..but thought you should know as that kinda thing tends to upset people. Maybe People should leave unlimited off for now? Or use other AI if they are going to use that feature. I know this problem is a little hard to track down as it doesn't happen in the game often thus not a lot of reports....and who wants to go back and do a "trace" error if it's going to force them to reboot their computer a second time!

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For everybody playing....Have you experienced these freezes with multi-stack AI Reinforcement battles? If you are using alternative AI....What is it and how is it performing? It would be very nice if we could get to the bottom of this for the official 5.8 release! As multi-stack battles rule!

[arostine]

Ending first turn and ai switching to hungary "unspecified error will now exit". Was playing as Normands

[Kjertesvein]

Hey Rep, great openbeta_2

5.0
5.6
5.74
5.8_openbeta_2

Report:
Playing Spain Vh/Vh. Main Campaign
Field cost [ON]
garrison script [ON]
Settlemet script[ON]
DLV_Civ[ON]




1266(Turn number:172):

• Money:750 000f.(50 000f. profit/turn)
• 19 regions (1Huge wall, 1Citedal)

Spanish Empire

Portugal and the Moors is knocked out cold through fierce diplomacy(bribing & giving money to the papacy) and help from my Grand Cross general. Great challange, diplomacy worked perfectly in the beginning.
Dark ages. Infact I liked the Dark Ages and the plauge. It restored the population and gave me time to build buldings. It was fairly easy for me, maybe because I had already conquerd Ibera and had my borders closed. I think it should be more destructable in the future.
I also got a very bad leader, who started a civil war. No big poroblem tho, only 5(15total) generals shifted. I locked them all up, but they are still pist and unmove-able. Im thinking about moving the Regnent King into a bording ship, and get a new one. Maybe it will help?
Right now(1266, 170turns) I'm positivly suprised by all the historical popups, still popping up. I also excited of the huge stacks of americas waiting for battle in the new world. Americas took back my 1st foot-hold in the new world. They killed my experienced troop and generals. Right now Im waiting for the gunpowder age, when is it?:hmmm:

Great fun in the early ages, I hope I there will be many more challanges before I conquer the world. Other then that, I dont got much challange, for now. Im an experienced DLVer, maybe thats why...

When do the popup ends?



After the dark ages ended , I have been having theese "Unspecified error will now exit" poping up every 4-5-6 turns. In no specific order. Quite irritating.

11:59:15.546 [system.rpt] [always] CPU: SSE2
11:59:15.562 [system.rpt] [always] ==== system log start, build date: Aug 3 2007 version bld-medieval2-kingdoms-104 (45562) ===
11:59:15.656 [system.io] [always] mounted pack packs/data_0.pack
11:59:15.750 [system.io] [always] mounted pack packs/data_1.pack
11:59:15.828 [system.io] [always] mounted pack packs/data_2.pack
11:59:15.906 [system.io] [always] mounted pack packs/data_3.pack
11:59:16.000 [system.io] [always] mounted pack packs/data_4.pack
11:59:16.015 [system.io] [always] mounted pack packs/localized.pack
11:59:33.250 [game.script] [error] Condition parsing error in DLV_ext/data/export_descr_character_traits.txt, at line 15195, column 46
trigger not found
14:11:23.937 [system.rpt] [error] Medieval 2: Total War encountered an unspecified error and will now exit.

[Tilarium]

Got an odd little happening. At various points my leader will game max Command and max Authority... actually, over max Authority, you can see the forming of an 11th star. Playing Byzantium each time. The first time happened in 1180 after I killed off the emperor, his son became faction leader and super loved! Then the second time was in 1181 after I killed the emperor in 1180 (What? Regacide is good!) and he was on his way back to the Capitol. The third time was in 1183 after I killed the emperor in 1180 (notice a trend?) after the new Emperor was crowned but oddly he also had offends the nobility.... but over maxed Authority... weird!

After that third time I said to hell with it and stopped playing. It's no fun when your general is bugged to become super awsome. Right? Anyone else have had this? Any idea what to do about this? I've already looked over the traits and ancillaries and nothing seems out of the ordinary, his command should have been around 7 and authority only about 5 (it was yesterday morning, memory isn't 100%).


Kyle

[Brips]

It's true, the Byzantium Empire is very very strong and rich, in 1245 I have +290 000 in my pocket! No wars, lots of trade right, more than 15 regions. I've never had that of my life with dlv^^
But, with the Flanders! -40 000 in 1212........................

Suggestion:
During the medieval period, generals, kings etc... often escaped from their city during the assault of this one. That deprives me a little to be not able to make the same thing when the city is going to be lost....

[Tilarium]

...cowards. A captain always goes down with his ship so a governer, king, or general should go down with their city, kingdom, army.

[ivanhoex]

a captain is a captain, not someone with blue blood.

in battle shields with drawn arms were used so the enemy wont kill the guy, but imprison him and exchange him for a wealthy reward.

not a reward you will get for a ship captain, thats for sure.

also that kind of code was assumed primarily with the commercial ships, if the captain tried to escape his luck, chances were that if he survived he would be deep into unpayable debts with many people, turning himself into slavery most probably, with all his family to follow. remember, most captains owned but one ship, and invested more than they owned in order to fill the boat. one successfull travel would allow them to pay their loans, interest and any expenses their family would have incurred upon.. most of the time. so when they leave port they do so as an adventure everytime. (until they got really lucky and were allowed to buy another boat or things like that, but most of the time they borrowed money to fill their boats even when owning a small fleet)
if he commited suicide, as i recall now, debts were cancelled upon his death, or in the worst cases reduced plus a large delay in payment times. (so to allow the family to recover some of their economic strenght)

commercial and military captains were normally related, in a fleet you wont find more than three or four of the ships being driven by a noble captain, most were lead by less "gentle" men, so their way of thinking was quite related.


a simple general head was not so precious.. but they were normally the first ones to escape if retreat was inminent, thanks to being on horse. (except those of royal blood that had not much fear about their future, or those reckless individuals... too hungry for glory)




and for brips suggestion, you can ransom your generals, so far the AI allow you (wich i remember to be more or less randomized)

[Taiji]

Here is a fixed projectiles file:
Attachment 26190

Hope that one works...

[Jens]

It's true, the Byzantium Empire is very very strong and rich, in 1245 I have +290 000 in my pocket! No wars, lots of trade right, more than 15 regions. I've never had that of my life with dlv^^
But, with the Flanders! -40 000 in 1212........................

Suggestion:
During the medieval period, generals, kings etc... often escaped from their city during the assault of this one. That deprives me a little to be not able to make the same thing when the city is going to be lost....

Well the same for me. I am playing as Siciliy on vh/vh with 5.8 beta 2. i own about 10 provinces including venice. playing civ style dlv without additional field costs as i dont think that its reasonable (only my opinion). anyways i have 230.000 on the bank..

this might have several reasons.

1. i have never seen a foreign merchant challenging one of my merchant.. economic behaviour of the campaign ai should definately be improved.

2. gains through merchants seem quite high with more than 700 for a "level" 4 merchant at this gold mine near Zadar in Hungary (Croatia). maybe these should be altered too.

3. i only have friends.. just needed one army to conquer all rebel settlements on the surrounding islands because noone threatened me. (ok all factions around are my allies except muslims.

as some positive criticism, may i suggest that some scripting is introduced like in Europa Barbarorum. what i mean is, that e.g. when you play as sicily and attack kerkyra (the small castle next to greece) the byzantine empire will attack you because you go into their sphere of influence (or interest).

this way factions would not be able to expand too fast and historic realism would be kept. please adopt it!

[repman]

@Jens
If standard DLV is too peaceful you can choose during start the popup a Total War playstyle.
DLV is balanced with all scripts on. If you have denied certain cost scripts then you will have too much money.

repman

[Kjertesvein]

@ Repman/Taiji

Hey I'm no good with bug testing/CTDs, but do you know why? And I have heard you could delete some files in a flder to fix most of the CTDS, atleast for a moment.

Log is posted few posts up

[repman]

Thanks for all the feedback.

We continue in a new thread for openbeta3

repman