[Farewell]True Legions for True Romans / Obsolete

[Dead*Man*Wilson]

yea, when the update became available, I was just going to use the all playable factions submod to check them out.

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

Thursday-Update day ???
Bring it on

[marko1805]

When a new version will be available ?

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

When a new version will be available ?

Ι'm also waiting to start my Roman game.

[HighOnTea]

Salve dear friends, citizens, Romans!



Today is the update day and first of all sorry for the delay! I was expecting to present you more surprises but they need more work before put them to mod but no worries. We prepared a large update and it covers not only the Romans

As part of giving authentic look for Roman units we give Romanized Thureos shields for Camillan era Roman legion infantry. And for Camillan Equites Hellenic linothorax armours. They're properly Romanized by looks and colour balance. And thanks for inspiration to Europa Barbarorum II team.

Equites reference,

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Camillan Legionaire reference,

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Shields reference,

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What was more exciting for us to present you new republican Montefortinos! I, JustDoit8 (AKA HighOnTea) worked hard on this project and we equipped whole branch of Marian legions with these models.

I'd like to show you some render shots before you see soldiers equipped with them.

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And enemies of Rome also is not forgotten. I also designed new Thracian Helmets for this update based on this image:

Helmet reference,

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And some render shots to appreciate the work,

Renders,

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And thanks for Hloeric to allow us using his Praetorian helmet for Generals Bodyguard unit,

Helmet reference,

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Helmet model,

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And by request we decided to give Etruscans their characteristic helmet, for his generosity i personally thank Will from Ancient Empires team to allow us to use this great pieace of art.

Reference,

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And in game screen (from Legionaire Armies Mod)

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And its not over!


As part of the project and by popular demand we reworked chainmail armours of Carthaginian and Hellenic units and you'll notice actually see the changes in screenshots,

Thanks to my friend Dramabelli Legionaire reworked and abused his models and added our work and remastered extensively all properly to make a decent model for upper tier units of Epirus and Carthage based on this image,

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And the units,

Camillan Era,
Major changes are Roman Thureos and Equites linothoraxes

Hastatii,

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Principes,

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Socii Hastatii,

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Socii Principes,

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Polybian Era,
Minor change is rare late Montefortinos, plain models for Hastatii and Plumed versions for Principes.

Hastatii,

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Principes,

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Marian Era,
Major change is our brand new Montefortino models. And they're distrubuted accordingly to Capite Censii, Legionarii, Veteranii and Cohors Prima. And Hloeric' great Praetorian Helmet for General' Bodyguard unit.

Capite Censii,

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Legionarii,

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Legionarii Veteranii,

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Cohors Prima,

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Cohors Praetorianii,

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And Enemies of Rome,
Major changes are HighonTea new Thracian model and new Chainmail varians for Epirus and Carthage. There also numerous minor changes made but lets keep it short

Epirote Pikemen,

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Epirote Thorax Pikemen,

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Epirote Thorax Hoplites,

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Epirote Thorax Spears,

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and

Carthaginians,
Major changes are coming for late period chainmail units.

Carthaginian Infantry / Dorkin Kan'anim

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Carthaginian Late Hoplites / H'anatim Kan'anim Kbedim

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Late Libyan Infantry / Dorkim Lybim Kbedim

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Late Libyan Hoplite / H'anatim Lybim Kbedim

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We hope you enjoy the changes dear friends,

[Falco]

Amazing work!!

[Eldgrimr]

Great work, guys! All of this new stuff will be awesome to see in game.

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

Amazing work guys...Congrats plus Rep

[Happy_Gilmor]

Looks really good my friend, I'm going to have to download and test out asap.

[Little Legionaire]

Thank you guys,

By any chance would you provide me some pictures of Etruscans from in game? Just wondering the look of this unit

Enjoy and happy weekends all!

[Maetharin]

Love the update, just some nitpicking from a historians standpoint:

Why do Socii units use different Scuta than Roman units?
If these represent an older model of Scuta, why are the Romans equipped with Thureoi, which appeared well after the Pyrrhic Wars in Greece?
Especially considering their own Scuta evolved the same way every other Italiot Scutum did,
wouldn´t it be more logical to have these older Scuta instead of Thureoi?

Otherwise it´s a beautiful piece of art,
thx for all the effort you put into this.

[Little Legionaire]

Love the update, just some nitpicking from a historians standpoint:

Why do Socii units use different Scuta than Roman units?
If these represent an older model of Scuta, why are the Romans equipped with Thureoi, which appeared well after the Pyrrhic Wars in Greece?
Especially considering their own Scuta evolved the same way every other Italiot Scutum did,
wouldn´t it be more logical to have these older Scuta instead of Thureoi?

Otherwise it´s a beautiful piece of art,
thx for all the effort you put into this.

It's just a model difference. Socii and Romans use the same shield, different looks. That does not mean an older/new/advanced Scutum model.

Thank you and enjoy the mod,

[Falco]

why are the Romans equipped with Thureoi, which appeared well after the Pyrrhic Wars in Greece?

I'm curious, have you asked the EB2 team this question?

I think those thureoi models are the best representation of the early Roman scutum until someone actually makes an entirely new model for them.

[HighOnTea]

Love the update, just some nitpicking from a historians standpoint:

Why do Socii units use different Scuta than Roman units?

This should go to the DeI team, as they were the ones, who added Socii units. Our submod mostly reworks textures of the existing shields.

[servent9]

Little Legionaire! your work is absolutely fantastic!

do you have plan to this kind of works when Ancient Empire mod release?

[Little Legionaire]

Little Legionaire! your work is absolutely fantastic!

do you have plan to this kind of works when Ancient Empire mod release?

Thank you but it's not only my work.

Besides my work, we're a team of modders. For example Solitudo made fantastic shields for Romans and HighonTea made great helmets. And i used other fellow modders works extensively. Thats the beauty of modding. If you wish to make something good you can't do it alone.

As for Ancient Empires. All i can say is time will tell.

[Maetharin]

I'm curious, have you asked the EB2 team this question?

I think those thureoi models are the best representation of the early Roman scutum until someone actually makes an entirely new model for them.

As far as I am aware, there is exactly one find of a possible pre-Imperial Scutum in Fayum Egypt, if it´s republican at all.
It just resembles the shape we know from the Ahenobarbus altar, but we don´t know its exact age.

So IMO it is a little speculative to say Thureoi represent early Roman Scuta when we don´t really know the exact origin and development of Scuta.
If you actually know of an example in favour of this claim I´d be delighted to know.
But I allow myself to remain sceptical of Thureos shaped shields in the Roman army until I get proof of it.

I do like Solitudo´s Italicae Gentes shields, are there any plans on continuing these models?
They look really good and IMO they´d fit this mod way more than the current Thureos

[Augustusng]

Well, you might also make the argument that the Romans adopted the Thureos shape directly from the Celts, after all, instead of getting it indirectly from the Greeks. I don't know that there's any evidence to support that, but it's plausible enough to me. But yes, totally speculative.

[Falco]

Well, you might also make the argument that the Romans adopted the Thureos shape directly from the Celts, after all, instead of getting it indirectly from the Greeks. I don't know that there's any evidence to support that, but it's plausible enough to me. But yes, totally speculative.

Agreed, considering all the other adopting of weapons and armor they did from enemies I would also say it's plausible they adopted a longer oval shaped scutum (sort of thureos looking) early on. But yes, all speculation. As for asking the EB2 team, I was just wondering since they, well, they seem to have a pretty good handle on historical accuracy and would probably be the ones to ask on the twcenter forums .

I do like Solitudo´s Italicae Gentes shields, are there any plans on continuing these models?
They look really good and IMO they´d fit this mod way more than the current Thureos

Also, do you still have the model for this shield?

Those look awesome, I would also love to see those in the mod!

[marko1805]

Great job guys !!!
Little Legionaire it would be possible to use the work of the DerThüringer in Your mod ?
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...ymbols-in-RTW2