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    Faction History
    The Phoenicians established numerous colonial cities along the coasts of the Mediterranean to provide safe harbors for their merchant fleets, to maintain a Phoenician monopoly on an area's natural resources, and to conduct trade free of outside interference. They were also motivated to found these cities by a desire to satisfy the demand for trade goods or to escape the necessity of paying tribute to the succession of empires that ruled Tyre, Sidon, and Byblos, and by fear of complete Greek colonization of that part of the Mediterranean suitable for commerce. The Phoenicians lacked the population or necessity to establish large self-sustaining cities abroad, and most of their colonial cities had fewer than 1,000 inhabitants, but Carthage and a few others developed larger populations.

    Although Strabo's claim that the Tyrians founded three hundred colonies along the west African coast is clearly exaggerated, colonies were established in Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria, Iberia, and to a much lesser extent, on the arid coast of Libya. The Phoenicians were active in Cyprus, Sardinia, Corsica, the Balearic Islands, Crete, and Sicily, as well as on the European mainland at present-day Genoa in Italy and Marseille in present-day France. The settlements at Crete and Sicily were in perpetual conflict with the Greeks, but the Phoenicians managed to control all of Sicily for a limited time. The entire area later came under the leadership and protection of Carthage, which in turn dispatched its own colonists to found new cities or to reinforce those that declined with the loss of primacy of Tyre and Sidon.

    The first colonies were settled on the two paths to Iberia's mineral wealth — along the North African coast and on Sicily, Sardinia and the Balearic Islands. The centre of the Phoenician world was Tyre, which served as its economic and political hub. The power of this city waned following numerous sieges by Babylonia, and then its later voluntary submission to the Persian king Cambyses and incorporation within the Persian empire. Supremacy passed to Sidon, and then to Carthage, before Tyre's eventual destruction by Alexander the Great in 332 BC. Each colony paid tribute to either Tyre or Sidon, but neither city had actual control of the colonies. This changed with the rise of Carthage, since the Carthaginians appointed their own magistrates to rule the towns and Carthage retained much direct control over the colonies. This policy resulted in a number of Iberian towns siding with the Romans during the Punic Wars.

    In 509 BC, a treaty was signed between Carthage and Rome indicating a division of influence and commercial activities. This is the first known source indicating that Carthage had gained control over Sicily and Sardinia. By the beginning of the 5th century BC, Carthage had become the commercial center of the West Mediterranean region, a position it retained until overthrown by the Roman Republic. The city had conquered most of the old Phoenician colonies (including Hadrumetum, Utica, Hippo Diarrhytus and Kerkouane), subjugated the Libyan tribes (with the Numidian and Mauretanian kingdoms remaining more or less independent), and taken control of the entire North African coast from modern Morocco to the borders of Egypt (not including Cyrenaica, which was eventually incorporated into Hellenistic Egypt). Its influence had also extended into the Mediterranean, taking control over Sardinia, Malta, the Balearic Islands, and the western half of Sicily, where coastal fortresses such as Motya or Lilybaeum secured its possessions. Important colonies had also been established on the Iberian Peninsula. Their cultural influence in the Iberian Peninsula is documented, but the degree of their political influence before the conquest by Hamilcar Barca is disputed.

    According to Polybius, Carthage relied heavily, though not exclusively, on foreign mercenaries, especially in overseas warfare. The core of its army was from its own territory in North Africa (ethnic Libyans and Numidians (modern northern Algeria), as well as "Liby-Phoenicians"). These troops were supported by mercenaries from different ethnic groups and geographic locations across the Mediterranean, who fought in their own national units; Celts and Balearics and Iberians were especially common. Later, after the Barcids conquered Iberia, Iberians came to form an even greater part of the Carthaginian forces.


    Roster Overview
    This overhaul will be included in 1.2.3 and replaces the entire Carthaginian roster with 43 new units. It will not be fully save compatible since some reform units will be unlocked in save games.

    Population
    The Carthaginian population will be divided up into 3 classes:
    1. The first class will be Phoenicians, pure-blood citizens of Carthage that will be limited to specific citizen elite units and mostly recruited only from the main city/town building chains (some only from Carthage itself). The Punics (Latin punicus), also known as Carthaginians, were a people from Ancient Carthage (now in Tunisia, North Africa) who traced their origins to the Phoenicians. Unlike their Phoenician ancestors, the Carthaginians had a landowning aristocracy, which established a rule of the hinterland in Northern Africa and trans-Saharan trade routes. In later times, one of the clans established a Hellenistic-inspired empire in Iberia and possibly had a foothold in western Gaul. Like other Phoenician people, their urbanized culture and economy were strongly linked to the sea. Overseas, they established control over some coastal regions of Berber North Africa in what is now Tunisia and Libya as well as Sardinia, Corsica, Sicily, the Balearic Islands, Malta and other small islands of the western Mediterranean and (possibly) along the Atlantic coast of Iberia. In the Balearic Islands, Sardinia, Corsica and Sicily, they had strong economic and political ties to the independent natives in the hinterland. Their naval presence and trade extended throughout the Mediterranean and beyond, to the British Isles, the Canaries, and West Africa. While the bulk of Carthage's infantry units were generally made up of mercenaries, Carthaginian citizens served in the defence of their homeland and would fight Rome at Zama (202BC) and the Siege of Carthage (146BC)

    2. The second class will be Liby-Phoenicians that represent the melding of the cultures around Carthage and will become more prevalent as units with reform progression. Liby-Phoenicians are described as a mixed race, half Punic and half African. A mixture of colonial and native blood, they first lived in Carthaginian colonies in Africa such as Utica or Hadrumentum, but around the fifth century BC, the Liby-Phoenicians started to be found in other Carthaginians settlements around the Mediterranean. Due to the sheer number of the Liby-Phoenician population, Carthage decided to use them to increase the population in colonies like those found in Iberia and Sicily. The Liby-Phoenician population shared many features and traits with the Carthaginians, like language and religion, but they never had the same rights. They had to pay tributes and unlike the Carthaginian citizens, Liby-Phoenicians had to serve in the armies of Carthage. They provided hoplites and heavy infantry, forming the core of Carthage's African army. These troops would gain veteran status in the armies of Hannibal and were often taken abroad on campaign or provided the main defence at home.

    3. The third class will be Subjects who represent the peoples around the various Carthaginian colonies that traditionally worked and fought alongside them. These people include Iberians and Numidians, but especially Libyans. The Libu were the original native inhabitants along the north coast of Africa, they were a berber people like the neighbouring tribes of the Numidians, Mauri, Garamantes and Geutuli. These tribes were already established long before Phoenician settlers arrived, but were soon integrated into the Punic society. As Carthaginian power grew, its involvement in the indigenous population increased dramatically. Trade links between Carthage and the Berbers in the interior grew and thus created a new Punic society speaking Punic, but territorial expansion also resulted in the serfdom or military recruitment of some Berbers and in the extraction of tribute from others. By the early 4th century BC, Berbers formed one of the largest element of the Carthaginian army. The ancient Libyans were mainly pastoral nomads, living off their goats, sheep and other livestock. Milk, meat, hides and wool were gathered from their livestock for food, tents and clothing. In war they would fight as light infantry or mounted as skirmishing cavalry much like the numidians.

    Elephants
    There has been a lot of debate about elephants used by Carthaginian armies. The fiercest of the species were Asian and African Bush Elephants, the former being only available through gifts and diplomacy on rare occasions, like Hannibal’s very own Surus, while the latter were harder to train than any other of the subspecies and not a common sight in the area. At the time, African Forest Elephants were much more widespread. While smaller than others of their kin, they were easier to train and maintain. Scholars debate the existence of other species in the area, called North African Elephants or Atlas Elephants, whose size were between their two African cousins. Those large beasts varied in size and strength, although the animals had relatively weak backs compared to their overall posture. Due to that, towers on top of those beasts were not a standard addition. Depending on the need, commanders would try to deploy smaller numbers of elephants but they only used the strongest and most disciplined of the animals. If the situation was dire, even elephant calves were sent to combat along with other hastily captured and untrained animals. In terms of height, the beasts used by Carthage were between 2-2.5 meters (Asian Elephants are between 2.5-4 meters). Sadly the game does not allow us to change the size or size variety of elephant models, which means that subtle differences cannot be displayed. With the above info, we have prepared 3 different and distinct units for Carthage: untrained, unreliable, cheap Forest Elephants, trained and partially armoured (but not strong enough to carry towers) Forest Elephants and lastly the largest, armoured and towered Atlas elephants.

    Mercenaries
    A unique addition for Carthage in this update will be a new Mercenary Barracks system. Carthage relied heavily on mercenaries and we wanted to reflect that in their roster. So, Carthage will have many unique mercenary units that will be recruitable from a special new barracks chain for their faction. These units will be available anywhere through the new mercenary barracks and represent many of the mercenaries Carthage historically relied upon.

    Reforms
    Carthage will no longer have their own reform system but will instead rely on the Greek global reforms for Thureos and Thorax progression. We realize this may be a controversial choice but we made it for a few reasons. First, there really is no good evidence for a Carthaginian reform and the one we had previously was just a generic "Late" reform that was tacked on to give them something. Second, Carthage starts with an imperium level thats almost high enough to hit a player reform anyway, so having them only tied to turn number makes practical sense. Finally, the units in their roster (below) fit better with Thureos and Thorax reforms, which develop from various Hellenic warfare advancements and are adopted by Carthage.


    Unit Previews

    Melee Infantry
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    Dorkim Lybim
    (Libyan Infantry) Armed with the basic implements of war including axes, clubs and daggers, these Libyan warriors are given some basic armor and sent to the front.


    Dorkim Lybim Meshurianim
    (Libyan Thureos Infantry) New technologies and strategies bring new ideas to the field of battle. These Libyans, once basic shepherds and warriors, have now been equipped with better armor and larger, more versatile shields.


    Dorkim Libi-Ponnim Meshurianim
    (Liby-Phoenician Thureos Infantry) As the population of Carthage continues to integrate Phoenicians and local Libyan peoples, these men have adapted to new ways of warfare.


    Dorkim Libi-Ponnim Kbedim
    (Liby-Phoenician Thorax Swords) Equipped with mail armor, specialized scutum shields and well sharpened swords, these men take advantage of the latest concepts in tactics and warfare.


    Spear & Hoplite Infantry
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    H'anatim Lybim
    (Libyan Hoplites) Trained to fight in phalanx formation in the Greek style, these Libyans are used as a stalwart foundation for Carthage's battle lines.


    H'anatim Kan'anim
    (Carthaginian Hoplites) Only found in the mother city of Carthage herself, these Phoenician citizens have chosen to take up arms in defense of their home.


    Dorkim Qdosim
    (Carthaginian Sacred Band) The best and bravest of the Phoenician noble families, these well-equipped citizens guard the lands and ideals of Carthaginian society.


    Dorkim Qdosim (Late)
    (Carthaginian Sacred Band (Late))


    Dorkim Libi-Ponnim
    (Liby-Phoenician Hoplites) Defending one's home is not exclusive to the nobles and Phoenician pure blood citizens of Carthage. These men have also learned how to use the phalanx and the shield to their best advantage.


    Dorkim Lybim
    (Libyan Spearmen) Drawn from the local population and given a spear to wield, these men must learn how to survive the perils of war.


    Hanatim Lybim
    (Libyan Thureos Spears) Although they still are drawn from some of the general Libyan people, these spear men have been better equipped with newer style shields and armor.


    Hanatim Libi-Ponnim
    (Liby-Phoenician Thureos Spears) Drawn from the descendants of marriages between local Africans and Phoenician arrivals, these spearmen represent the new people of Carthage.


    Hanatim Libi-Ponnim Kbedim
    (Liby-Phoenician Thorax Spears) With the progression of time comes new populations to draw from and new equipment to employ. These Liby-Phoenician men employ the best implements of war.


    Missile Infantry
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    Mitnagsim Lybim
    (Libyan Javelinmen) The Libyans are known as skirmishing fighters - their inner lands, in the low ridges of the Atlas Mountains, are appropriate for this kind of warfare. But poor mountaineers are mostly slingers and javelineers


    Mitnagsim Lybim Kbedim
    (Libyan Peltasts) These trained troops consist of individuals from more affluent ranks of Libyan society. They are skirmishers with javelins, but carry much better equipment than most, including linothorax, an oval shield, and a high-quality sword.


    Kasatim Hatkafa
    (Carthaginian Archers) Chosen from among the Phoenician citizenry and trained in Carthaginian cities, these skilled bowmen take out their targets from a safe distance.


    Qala'im Lybim
    (Libyan Slingers) Libyan slingers come from the shepherd nomads who use their slings to protect their herds from predators. They're quite skilled with their slings, which truly are deceptively simple weapons.


    Kasatim Lybim
    (Libyan Archers) Since the earliest times, the Libyan people have fought from a distance. They ruled over the sands and mountains with slings, javelins and simple bows. When the Phoenicians came they used these gifts for new masters.


    Mitnagsim Libi-Ponnim
    (Liby-Phoenician Peltasts) A well-rounded and versatile contingent of warriors, these men can harass the enemy and defend when necessary.


    Cavalry
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    Parasim Lybim
    (Libyan Cavalry) Lightly armed horsemen that act primarily as scouts, they carry spears and shields.


    Parasim Kan'anim
    (Carthaginian Citizen Cavalry) Well equipped citizens found in Carthaginian cities, they ride into battle on horseback equipped with ornate armor and decorated helmets.


    Parasim Assilim
    (Carthaginian Citizen Cavalry (Late)) Trained in Carthaginian cities and riding into battle on sturdy mounts, these Phoenician citizens have been equipped with ornately designed armor and mail coats.


    Parasim Libi-Ponnim
    (Liby-Phoenician Cavalry) While not quite as well equipped or ornately dressed as their pure Phoenician counterparts, these men have brought strong spears and stout shields to represent their own loyalty to Carthage.


    Parasim Qdosim
    (Carthaginian Sacred Band Cavalry) With some of the best equipment money can buy, these noble Phoenicians ride into battle for their city and their people.


    Ha'Abbirim Ha'Qdosim sel Astarte
    (Carthaginian Sacred Band Cavalry (Late))


    Elephants & Chariots
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    Merkabim Kan'anim
    (Carthaginian Heavy Chariots) Although not commonly used, the Carthaginians do employ chariots at times when necessary on the battlefield. These men have been richly equipped and use their chariots as mobile platforms.


    Pilim
    (African Elephants) Freshly captured and herded into battle, these beasts are not to be relied upon. But, only a fool would not fear their charge!


    Qasatim 'al Pilim
    (African War Elephants) Being submitted to years of training, these animals are a force to be reckoned with. While not strong enough to carry towers, these beasts are partially protected by armour.


    Qasatim 'al Pilim Alupim
    (Carthaginian Atlas Elephants) Towering above most of their kin, Atlas elephants charge into battle equipped with towers and heavy armour. Highly trained and obedient, these beasts form the elite of the elephant corps.


    Mercenaries
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    Mashliyim Bahhur Haneet

    (Mercenary Numidian Javelinmen) These skirmishers are recruited from nomadic tribes who owe their survival only to their skills with thrown weapons. It is better to keep them away from the enemy: their daggers are more effective at skinning game than killing an enemy, and a small shield is their only protection.


    Dorkim Maurim
    (Mercenary African Levies) These African warriors are masters of hit and run tactics. They strike first with throwing spears or javelins and, when necessary, can engage in close combat with their spears and leather shields.


    Iberi Caetrati
    (Mercenary Iberian Swordsmen) Caetrati are a deceptive type of infantry. Able light troops, they can skirmish while softening their enemy before closing in for hand-to-hand combat. Four things contribute to this capability: their agility on the battlefield, their all-metal heavy javelins ("soliferrum"), the traditional Iberian ferocity, and their superb swordsmanship.


    Catuiros Lancia
    (Mercenary Gallic Warriors) Each of these spearmen carries a stabbing spear and a large shield. They fight well, as glory and loot are the road to status, but are often difficult to control. They care little for discipline and less for restraint, but they can be relied on to fight, and fight hard.


    Mashliyim Parashim
    (Mercenary Numidian Cavalry) Numidian cavalry is famous throughout Africa, and it would become known throughout Europe as well. More experienced, older, and richer than the light cavalrymen, these riders enjoy better protection with leather armour and a larger wood and wicker shield. They wield a sword for use in melee as well.


    Gaemile Liguriae
    (Mercenary Ligurian Spearmen) These warriors are recruited from the fierce Ligures tribsemen renowned as effective merceneries across the mediterranean.


    Hoplitai
    (Mercenary Greek Hoplites) Hoplites: no other word says Greeks at war in quite the same way. Normally engaged to defend their home cities, they often also contracted their services to other regional powers.


    Gaesatae
    (Mercenary Naked Spear Throwers) The Gaesatae are easily some of the most fearsome groups of warriors in the known world. They fight stripped bare but for neck torcs and sometimes shoes or boots. They are named for their incredible skill with javelins; they can hurl them unnaturally long distances and deal great damage with them. Their charge is also most ferocious and causes many enemy lines to simply fold and flee. This is not all solely due to skill and strength, though they are experienced and huge, muscular men. They imbibe a chemical before battle making them seemingly impervious to pain. They will fight to the very end, and are extremely destructive when deployed properly.


    Iberi Curisi

    (Mercenary Iberian Cavalry) Riding their agile, resilient Iberian horses, these skilled medium cavalrymen are able to perform the role of shock against light troops. They wear bronze helmets and chest plates along with leather armour, which gives them staying power in a melee contest. They carry the normal falcata and caetra combination of the Iberian tribes, which allows them to hold their own in melee, although they are more adept at spearing down fleeing enemies.


    Iberi Scutarii

    (Mercenary Scutarii) These troops are well-equipped medium spearmen, armed with the dreaded all-metal soliferrum javelin, a spear as their main weapon, and a short straight sword. They protect themselves with leather armour and a bronze breastplate. With this equipment and their skills, they make extremely versatile and quick infantry.


    Baleares Funditores
    (Mercenary Balearic Slingers) Elite mercenary slingers from the Balearic Islands, these shepherds and herdsmen train with a sling from childhood, and are some of the most deadly slingers in the world.


    Adgenios Lancia
    (Mercenary Heavy Gallic Spearmen) Ambactoi, or those who march around can be misunderstood to be bodyguards, or companions in arms, but they are truly servant-warriors, enjoying a much better way of life than simple slaves. These war servants closely follow their master in any battle, protect him, and give him their own weapon if his is broken or damaged, and in the cavalry, provide him a new horse. Their equipment is good, reflecting the wealth of their master, although not as good as the equipment of the Solduroi.


    Ambacti

    (Mercenary Iberian Champions) These men are of high birth, forming the faithful followers of Edetani chieftans and bound religiously by a promise of loyalty: they protect their lord in battle to the last man. They are skilled, hardy, and very competent in hand-to-hand combat, which makes them effective against the best troops the enemy has to offer.


    Arjos Epones
    (Mercenary Iberian Heavy Cavalry) The Iberians have a great deal of respect for horses, even worshipping them as divine creatures. In times of war, the horse previously played a minor role, but has gradually progressed from a symbol of prestige, and noble warriors ride to the battlefield, to becoming a major presence in the battle itself.



    Credits
    - Various DeI team members including KAM, Don_Diego, Greek strategos, Ahiga, and Augustusng just to name a few. Really most of us contributed something along the way, from ideas to plans to implementation.
    - Some assets included from the True Legions submod. Huge thanks to their whole team! Further credits will be included in the upcoming Roman preview and 1.2.3 update itself.
    - Wikipedia for the preview text.

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    YES PREVIEW

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    Splendid Bravo bravissimo c'est magnifique.Wish i could Rep great work as always guys

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    Probably our largest single overhaul to date, hopefully the wait was worth it

    Its a bit poetic that we are coming back around to Rome & Carthage for our final overhauls for 1.2.3. This mod started with a desire to flesh out all factions as much as the core ones in the game (Rome/Carthage) and now we have come full circle to update the big boys.
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    The mercenary system looks awesome! I really want to give Carthage a run now using those mercs... I always thought they were a little underpowered as a "superpower" faction, but now that issue seems like it has been addressed! Thank you for the amazing mod!

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    Wow, these guys look amazing!!!
    Just as a question, will the mercenaries be available in the core roster like Roman Auxiliaries,
    or will they be faction mercenaries?

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    Core roster through secondary barrack line. While regular Carthaginian troops are typical good at everything, excel at nothing types, mercs fill more specialized roles like light, but hard hitting infantry etc.
    Also worth noting that some of the regiments we call "mercenaries" for Carthage, were their subjects and not stricly mercs, like Iberians.
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    Damn you guys gonna make me play carthaginian scum. But that looks too good to miss out on.

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    Just one word - HYPE!

    Love the spread of good units across all population types. Especially the fact that the merc units, which will be really strong and versatile, will be drawn from foreigner pop. With hellenic population is a pain in the ass since all their good units draw from 1st & 2nd pop type. Especially all those late game bad boys draw from 1st pop class which make it hard to replenish them reliably on the front.

    Lovely overhaul and cant wait to take them for a spin. Those Roman dogs will have their ass handed to them soon enough!!

    This overhaul will also take effect on HatG?

    Just one more wish ! RELEASE 1.2.3

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    Yes, they will work in HatG

    Also for recruitment, we tried to make it so both core and merc lines are valid and not strickly one being superior to other For example if you need numbers, merc barracks will provide you some units easier while if you want to have heavier units, core barracks will provide them faster. In terms of elites, it takes time to get your merc barracks to that point but they are worth it
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    Amazing work guys, they look awesome.

    On a side note, I see you put better cheek guards on the some of the hellenic/thracian helmets. Will this be for all factions that use the helmets in the update?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KAM 2150 View Post
    Yes, they will work in HatG

    Also for recruitment, we tried to make it so both core and merc lines are valid and not strickly one being superior to other For example if you need numbers, merc barracks will provide you some units easier while if you want to have heavier units, core barracks will provide them faster. In terms of elites, it takes time to get your merc barracks to that point but they are worth it
    As always, you guys do everything on point. Great work and cant wait.

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    Once again, I find myself staring at those DEI details; the armour textures seem highly realistic. Thank you for the preview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falco View Post
    Amazing work guys, they look awesome.

    On a side note, I see you put better cheek guards on the some of the hellenic/thracian helmets. Will this be for all factions that use the helmets in the update?
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    Nice work guys.
    And congrats for closing that poetic circle.

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    One word to describe this preview = STUNNING!

    Congratulations to the whole team, I look forward to try dominating the known world with Carthago.

    Any ETA on the release of the update? Weeks or months?

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    Hello team excellent work ! i will like to ask are you going to change the map settlements us it is in the description(allalia greek ect. in spain..)?

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    I look forward to killing so many new beautifully-designed carthaginian troops.

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    Wow! These units are fantastic!!!!!!! Thank you, DeI team! I can't wait to build my Carthaginian empire with these excellent units!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan_Moscavich View Post
    I look forward to killing so many new beautifully-designed carthaginian troops.
    Hahahaha, nice one

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