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[Jurand of Cracow]

What is required to upgrade your city walls besides population?
I got 6k in Sinope, but still cant build Wooden walls.

wooden_wall city requires factions { northern_european, southern_european, eastern_european, greek, middle_eastern, } and building_present_min_level hinterland_farms farms2 or hidden_resource cumans or hidden_resource desert

= Farms in Cleared Land.

[Grathus]

Hi everyone,
Glad to see there is a new version of this great modification. I started scotch campaign to test the game. I've noticed a significant difference in income.


This is due to the change: - a few factions get initial boost to income before they own 3+ settlements;


The clans give me several thousand money every turn. As I consider the Scottish campaigns from the April modification version to be balanced, I would rather not get this money.
In the current version, I can conquer England easily. In the previous version from April, I was at war to survive. Which I consider to be realistic and historical.
I am asking you for help in finding a script that helps small factions so that I can deactivate it.


Please also consider that the script to help small factions does not work on a very difficult difficulty level.


I have some doubts about AI. All the initial wars make no sense, as each faction takes a ceasefire within a few turns. This is mainly troublesome for Iberia, because the Catholic and Iberian armies are attacking West France and even Rennes. One solution is to change the turn limit for AI attack from 10 to 1.
This change makes Iberian wars looks a lot better


Is the current AI based on Piotr's AI from Bellum Crucis or DaC?

[Macaras]

This is due to the change: - a few factions get initial boost to income before they own 3+ settlements;

The clans give me several thousand money every turn. As I consider the Scottish campaigns from the April modification version to be balanced, I would rather not get this money.
In the current version, I can conquer England easily. In the previous version from April, I was at war to survive. Which I consider to be realistic and historical.
I am asking you for help in finding a script that helps small factions so that I can deactivate it.

Please also consider that the script to help small factions does not work on a very difficult difficulty level.

Some people complains that its too difficult, some that its too easy . Maybe Scotland doesn't need the boost income at all. I think some factions like Hungary, Serbia, Norway need it. Maybe the best is to limit the script to these factions?

I have some doubts about AI. All the initial wars make no sense, as each faction takes a ceasefire within a few turns. This is mainly troublesome for Iberia, because the Catholic and Iberian armies are attacking West France and even Rennes. One solution is to change the turn limit for AI attack from 10 to 1.
This change makes Iberian wars looks a lot better
Is the current AI based on Piotr's AI from Bellum Crucis or DaC?

Its based on Bellum Crucis. I saw that in Tsardoms there is an entry to prevent ceasefires in the beginning. Technically we could do it, I am not sure if its good or bad though. The good thing right now is that Byz and Rum sign a ceasefire quickly most of the times, which allows Rum to survive, similarly for Poland and Hungary. Regarding the Iberian factions usually its Castile that goes to the western France. Also most of the time sooner or later they kick the Moors out of Iberia anyway. I personally think - let them ceasefire if they want, the wars will start again soon. One consequence of the early ceasefires is also quicker removing of the rebels, which is good in general for AI. Also somewhere in the way we will probably make Byz and HRE weaker which will also help France.

Yes, for me the same,also when I successfully complete a Council mission (diplomacy and trade deals) the message tells me that I will receive elite units and money in my capital, and the truth is that I only receive some money...

j.a.luna - I am working on it, noticed it too. I will try to find some solution.

[Jurand of Cracow]

Some people complains that its too difficult, some that its too easy . Maybe Scotland doesn't need the boost income at all. I think some factions like Hungary, Serbia, Norway need it. Maybe the best is to limit the script to these factions?

Any change is possible, depending on the players' experience. I perceive this boost as a stop-gap solution until the Loyalty/Authority + Civial Wars system is fully in place and we'd see other factors limiting the advantages of being a big factions from the outset.

[Grathus]

Some people complains that its too difficult, some that its too easy . Maybe Scotland doesn't need the boost income at all. I think some factions like Hungary, Serbia, Norway need it. Maybe the best is to limit the script to these factions?



Its based on Bellum Crucis. I saw that in Tsardoms there is an entry to prevent ceasefires in the beginning. Technically we could do it, I am not sure if its good or bad though. The good thing right now is that Byz and Rum sign a ceasefire quickly most of the times, which allows Rum to survive, similarly for Poland and Hungary. Regarding the Iberian factions usually its Castile that goes to the western France. Also most of the time sooner or later they kick the Moors out of Iberia anyway. I personally think - let them ceasefire if they want, the wars will start again soon. One consequence of the early ceasefires is also quicker removing of the rebels, which is good in general for AI. Also somewhere in the way we will probably make Byz and HRE weaker which will also help France.

Playing as Scotland, I could have almost 2 full stacks of armies with only 2 cities. In the case of Scotland, it seems to me that there is too much financial aid.


I didn't play Serbia. I played Hungary once and I admit that the campaign was difficult, but not because of the finances, but rather because of the aggressive neighbors.


As for Norway, it was really poverty. Although I still consider it a better solution. Historically, these areas were not rich, but the cities were populous. I believe that a better solution instead of artificial financial support would be to give to small factions merchants.
Playing Norway, as I remember correctly, we have two merchants at the beginning.
I had to use ships instead of transporting the army, transporting merchants to more efficient trading stocks.
As the Vikings were great merchants, I consider this a realistic campaign development. It is also happy that without merchants You have no chance of success with Denmark.


When it comes to the artificial intelligence of the campaign, basing on Piotr's AI is a great idea. This AI is very good and harder to beat.
However, the latest AI from the makers that designed for DaC seems to be even better than that of BC in my experience.
Do you mind if I test this (newest) Piter's AI in the future on this mod and then upload my impressions?

@Waluk: upload a save, pls! 200 turns is very worthy seeing!

open script.txt and then look for "; very crude solution to the problem of initial inability"
you'll find 6 cases of this, delete sections you consider unnecessary.
This is not save-compatible - you'll have to start a new game (which is problably not a problem ;-)

Thank You for helping!


Also sorry Guys for my poor english

[Jurand of Cracow]

@Waluk: upload a save, pls! 200 turns is very worthy seeing!

I am asking you for help in finding a script that helps small factions so that I can deactivate it.

open script.txt and then look for "; very crude solution to the problem of initial inability"
you'll find 6 cases of this, delete sections you consider unnecessary.
This is not save-compatible - you'll have to start a new game (which is problably not a problem ;-)

[Gaku]

I'm getting a lot of messages about sacked camps, but it's not increasing my treasury

[j.a.luna]

I'm getting a lot of messages about sacked camps, but it's not increasing my treasury

Yes, for me the same,also when I successfully complete a Council mission (diplomacy and trade deals) the message tells me that I will receive elite units and money in my capital, and the truth is that I only receive some money...

[Belovèse]

I'm getting a lot of messages about sacked camps, but it's not increasing my treasury

Yes, I noticed a flaw in the coding herited from previous moder that does have that result, and I'm reworking this script.
Also I will add the precise sum of money added in the pop-up event scroll, so that will be clearer for the player.
This will be included in the next build, for now just know you can get nothing despite what the scroll says, sorry.

[umbracatervae777]

Congratulations for the whole team!

[Waluk]

Hey all, this version is really great. Started with HRE, since this is the faction I know the most. Played for 200 turns without a single crash. I love all the changes so far. As HRE you get enough diplomats, so you can actually cover most of your lands. A bit harder to get assassins, but that's better IMO. The amount of agents is perfect so far. By turn 200 the map is still 90% historical. The new icons are amazing, had to get used to them for awhile, but they are crisp and reveal greatly what the unit is supposed to be. While places that should increase in population size get bigger, some settlements stay small for awhile, also very historical and a bit slower paced than before, I like it. A couple of small things were a bit off, I get Serbian Nemanja dynasty event every turn, for the past 100 turns or so. I don't hear any horns when rallying troops as before, kind of got used to those, but thats nitpicky <img src="images/smilies/emoticons/original.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" smilieid="21" class="inlineimg"> Some units on the battle map have some weird stripes coming out of them, I believe those are upgraded mailed knights for HRE. Overall 10/10.

[Belovèse]

Thanks for the positive feedback!
Also I've noted those two bugs you mentioned on our to-do list, we'll get to them!

EDIT: look likes the weapon has a really long shaft?

[Waluk]

There you go, the save https://mega.nz/file/q9Ekya6K#a61wZ-...1-wc4O524EuJTw

Diplomacy can also be brutal, sometimes the AI doesn't want peace no matter what. I tried bribing Serbian general for ceasefire for 67.000 florins (my max treasury), he wouldn't accept at all. Which also led to an epic battle 1900 vs 1800. My Heroic Victory

[hazman232]

Started an Abbasid campaign and have some thoughts/bugs, the merchant starts in Oman where the closest trade resource is 9 turns travel away, suggest adding a resource or moving the merchants start location. The huge city walls at Baghdad description says 5 units for free upkeep, but it only gives free upkeep for 4 units. The Sheikh's stables has a description error where it displays Oghuz horse archers three times, and Turkoman cavalry twice. (seems to be a recurring problem with all recruitment buildings). The starting armies begin with 3 units of Abna Heavy Spearmen, which shouldn't be recruitable until the Battle of Hattin event. (Edit) I fixed the merchant positioning and the starting units if you fancy including it in a future update: https://mega.nz/file/NPY00Q6Z#G-iWzf...v8rgzTRhf33xxs (update again because I missed a unit)

[Belovèse]

Started an Abbasid campaign and have some thoughts/bugs, the merchant starts in Oman where the closest trade resource is 9 turns travel away, suggest adding a resource or moving the merchants start location. The huge city walls at Baghdad description says 5 units for free upkeep, but it only gives free upkeep for 4 units. The Sheikh's stables has a description error where it displays Oghuz horse archers three times, and Turkoman cavalry twice. (seems to be a recurring problem with all recruitment buildings). One of the starting armies begins with 2 units of Abna Heavy Spearmen, which shouldn't be recruitable until the Battle of Hattin event. (Edit) I fixed the merchant positioning and the starting units if you fancy including it in a future update: https://mega.nz/file/FXxiyK5Q#MWQO7W...59zgEjJVEPIvoE

Thanks for the reports and the uploaded files, I'll look at them, very much appreciated!

[Jurand of Cracow]

Started an Abbasid campaign and have some thoughts/bugs, the merchant starts in Oman where the closest trade resource is 9 turns travel away, suggest adding a resource or moving the merchants start location. The huge city walls at Baghdad description says 5 units for free upkeep, but it only gives free upkeep for 4 units. The Sheikh's stables has a description error where it displays Oghuz horse archers three times, and Turkoman cavalry twice. (seems to be a recurring problem with all recruitment buildings). One of the starting armies begins with 2 units of Abna Heavy Spearmen, which shouldn't be recruitable until the Battle of Hattin event. (Edit) I fixed the merchant positioning and the starting units if you fancy including it in a future update: https://mega.nz/file/FXxiyK5Q#MWQO7W...59zgEjJVEPIvoE

Stables are still to be reviewed and fixed.
Free upkeep - thanks for drawing attention to it. The descriptions are automatically made by the engine while the coding is:

free_upkeep bonus 4 requires not factions { mongols, cumans, } and not event_counter FL_policy_protector 1

free_upkeep bonus 5 requires not factions { mongols, cumans, } and event_counter FL_policy_protector 1

It means that the engine makes the info based on the highest number, even if the counter is not fulfilled.

There you go, the save https://mega.nz/file/q9Ekya6K#a61wZ-...1-wc4O524EuJTw

What seems very strange to me, is Utrecht - it has a wooden wall, but it is still a town. Nothing possible to build. @Belo, can you have a look?

@Waluk - how have you got Praha and Brenna in your realm? I guess Brenna in a normal way, but Praha you've bought?

[vovery]

Congratulations on releasing the new version! I'm enjoying it a lot, seems all around much better than the April version.

Did Lithuania lose their ability to recruit pagan priests though? They begin with one priest, but in the April version it was possible to recruit new ones on every captured settlement you built/had a shrine in, and also on the pop up message on some round says that you should be able to recruit priests according to your pagan shrines - but in the September version none seem to have a priest listed as recruitable, not even in the building browser for higher tier shrines. The pagan priests aren't too effective, but at least they slow down the conversion loss to Christian religions.

[Jurand of Cracow]

Congratulations on releasing the new version! I'm enjoying it a lot, seems all around much better than the April version.

Did Lithuania lose their ability to recruit pagan priests though? They begin with one priest, but in the April version it was possible to recruit new ones on every captured settlement you built/had a shrine in, and also on the pop up message on some round says that you should be able to recruit priests according to your pagan shrines - but in the September version none seem to have a priest listed as recruitable, not even in the building browser for higher tier shrines. The pagan priests aren't too effective, but at least they slow down the conversion loss to Christian religions.

good catch! seems a sloppy coding on my side, sorry, will be fixed in the patch

[Belovèse]

What seems very strange to me, is Utrecht - it has a wooden wall, but it is still a town. Nothing possible to build. @Belo, can you have a look?
@Waluk - how have you got Praha and Brenna in your realm? I guess Brenna in a normal way, but Praha you've bought?

I have looked at it and did not find anything suspicious. Only one thing that I don't think has any link to being unable to upgrade: the settlement starts with a population higher than the upgrade requirement, maybe it should come with stone wall right of the bat?
@waluk, you did not reuse a save from the previous version I suppose?

[Gaku]

turn 233, some random thoughts:

The Mongols spread super fast, taking one province every 1.5 turns for about 30 turns. but for the next 30 turns, they've been stuck trying to take the Cuman castle at Ryazan.
AI is again ganging up on targets of Mongol expansion. possibly needs some consideration?
lost support/recruitment of Axe Militia in Targoviste and Ras. intentional?
I really like the improved rewards for certain missions, especially giving units that I don't just immediately delete.
recruiting Slavic Javelins as mercs costs 1/3 of recruiting them in castles. a nice discount but maybe unintended.
Saxons <3
are the Mongols incapable of building navies?
got Szekes to 30k+ pop with all constructions except Blacksmith and Siege Works yet was unable to upgrade. not sure why.
upkeep on Pavise Spearmen still seems too high
I had a mission at one point to marry a "noble lady" to my faction heir. but it wouldn't let me target him for marriage. He was unmarried.
my camp is still getting sacked when I sally out. ridiculous.