SSHIP - General Discussion

[Lifthrasir]

^^ Actually, not that much. The real benefit of the Universities was to increase the efficiency of administrations at all levels, at least for Western Europe.

[Antonius]

I really can't wait for the update!!!! Perfect for "working" from home

[Dekhatres]

I like that universities reduce law. It fits for two reasons that may or may not be anachronistic. One is the idea of drunken students (I mean clearly anyone who could receive a university education in the Middle Ages had a decent amount of disposable income, and who doesn't like Animal House?) Also universities can lead to dangerous new ideas that undercut the status quo.

100% agreed

Before and after college

[Waluk]

LOL, nailed it

[Marus312]

xx September 2020

[Marus312]

well there was supposed to be an image there just poking fun and I don't seem to have an option to edit it, so now I just look like an ass lol

[george0433]

I see the sticky has been updated and locked, are we really within days/hours/minutes of the release!?!?! Exciting.

[Just let me post]

I see the sticky has been updated and locked, are we really within days/hours/minutes of the release!?!?! Exciting.

Well...

[Jurand of Cracow]

Guys,
unfortunately, the 097 got in the modding process very buggy. It crashes too often to merit being published. We need to find out the sources of the crashes and fix them. We don't know when I would be done. We are sorry.
JoC

[george0433]

Guys,
unfortunately, the 097 got in the modding process very buggy. It crashes too often to merit being published. We need to find out the sources of the crashes and fix them. We don't know when I would be done. We are sorry.
JoC

No worries JoC and team. I know it isn't an easy thing to do and you aren't getting paid to do it so we (I) will wait patiently.

[j.a.luna]

No worries JoC and team. I know it isn't an easy thing to do and you aren't getting paid to do it so we (I) will wait patiently.

Yes Jurand, same opinion, dont worry and we will wait patiently for a best new release

[Vaournandil]

Yeah, take all the time you need.
We just feel bless to have access to such a magnificent mod!

[Alavaria]

^^ Actually, not that much. The real benefit of the Universities was to increase the efficiency of administrations at all levels, at least for Western Europe.

Since that's sorta what the distance to capital public order & corruption sort of is used for.

In fact, I think in M2 vanilla/default ini values, 1 pip* of law (5% public order and corruption reduction) counteracts the 1 "pip" of distance penalty (so 5% public order and resulting corruption). And in Rome1.
*SSHIP might need two pips (as in 2 points in the EDB file) to get 5% public order, you can check the ini for that. It makes law less powerful pip-to-% for public order than happiness, for example.

Especially funny since while your Public order penalty is capped, the corruption effect isn't, so building +law at home can overcome even high distance penalties, while moving capital makes those otherwise severely penalized frontier settlements not penalized.

[removeduser_28376423423]

Guys,
unfortunately, the 097 got in the modding process very buggy. It crashes too often to merit being published. We need to find out the sources of the crashes and fix them. We don't know when I would be done. We are sorry.
JoC

Well... Amidst the aparent struggle, I had the idea of adapting the "Native voices" Mod by Ha Hawk, but for the SSHIP (He made it for vanilla), which makes every faction speak in it's native language, and releasing it sometime in the future as a submod (would that be ok?). Just wanted to mention it briefly to encourage you guys in the team over the recent issues!

Moreover, just found some very usable battle voices in swedish, polish, turkish, arabic and portuguese in the EmpireTW folders.

[Cephalophore]

Well... Amidst the aparent struggle, I had the idea of adapting the "Native voices" Mod by Ha Hawk, but for the SSHIP (He made it for vanilla), which makes every faction speak in it's native language, and releasing it sometime in the future as a submod (would that be ok?). Just wanted to mention it briefly to encourage you guys in the team over the recent issues!

Moreover, just found some very usable battle voices in swedish, polish, turkish, arabic and portuguese in the EmpireTW folders.

This would be nice to have, really neat. Just my suggestion though since I have done the Toponymy submod; Swedish voices would be good for Denmark and Norway, Turkish for Rum and Seljuks. From what I had uncovered from my research for my submod is that the Zengids were much more Arabized than the other Turkic dynasties.

If we had this I wouldn't play as anybody but the Germans lol

[j.a.luna]

Well... Amidst the aparent struggle, I had the idea of adapting the "Native voices" Mod by Ha Hawk, but for the SSHIP (He made it for vanilla), which makes every faction speak in it's native language, and releasing it sometime in the future as a submod (would that be ok?). Just wanted to mention it briefly to encourage you guys in the team over the recent issues!

Moreover, just found some very usable battle voices in swedish, polish, turkish, arabic and portuguese in the EmpireTW folders.

I would be willing to help in my area, for the Spanish factions, such as Castilian or Aragonese.
Anything to improve this wonderful sship mod is welcome to me.

[removeduser_28376423423]

If we had this I wouldn't play as anybody but the Germans lol

Let me attempt to prove you wrong! haha

[Just let me post]

Well... Amidst the aparent struggle, I had the idea of adapting the "Native voices" Mod by Ha Hawk, but for the SSHIP (He made it for vanilla), which makes every faction speak in it's native language, and releasing it sometime in the future as a submod (would that be ok?). Just wanted to mention it briefly to encourage you guys in the team over the recent issues!

Moreover, just found some very usable battle voices in swedish, polish, turkish, arabic and portuguese in the EmpireTW folders.

As the SSHIP sound dev, I can say that of course it would be ok!

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IIRC HaHawk mod uses voices from foreign localizations, which means there are some gap areas (there are only English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian, and Moorish (Arabic-accented Spanish) voices - i.e. no Polish, no Hungarian (and making them speak Russian is... controversial at best imo), no Danish, no Greek, no Arabic, no Cuman, and no Mongolian. So that's an obstacle, but not impossible one.

export_descr_sounds_stratmap_voice.txt contains the list of voices used on stratmap, quite a lot of them (especially for diplomats and princesses) but with some "clever" lines (like "yes sire!" or "indeed!" - applicable to many situations) it could be filled without too much trouble.

In theory we could assign a separate accent to each faction, so everyone could speak their own language (surpassing the limits HaHawk met). It would be a challenge to properly distribute accents across the units for battle and stratmap voices (to reflect the units' origins) but that would be a fun challenge tbf.

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Speaking of battlemap voices: as I outlined above, stratmap voices would be a lot of work (narrator ones too), but battlemap ones seem relatively easy to do, especially since you already found the Empire's TW voices - so changing battlemap responses could be a good place to start (imho), even one faction at a time.
export_descr_sounds_units_voice.txt is one of the files of interest. If it's of any use, here is my tutorial on voices

also a useful tip I found thanks to ROTK team; you can group units to assign them to a single voiceline (instead of adding it to each unit of the same kind), like that:

unit ZYhan_light_sword, HBhan_light_sword, JZhan_light_sword, JDhan_light_sword, XLhan_light_sword, BShan_light_sword, Heishan_raid, Nanman_han_infantry
                                    event
                                             folder data/sounds/Voice/Human/Localized/Battle_Map
                                                  ch_Idle_017.wav
                                    end

Anyway, feel free to create your submod (of course!), and in case I can be of any help - hit me up

Cheers

[j.a.luna]

how's the work in terms of bugs in the new version? I hope it is not very problematic for you and that the effort becomes light and we can soon enjoy that good version 0.9.7.
cheer up developers!

[Giorgios]

no Greek

As a thought- might it be possible to approach the EB2 team for Greek? All educated Byzantines (ie any character appearing on the strat map of SSHIP) would've been able to fluently communicate in ancient Attic Greek, so it's not even particularly anachronistic, even if the everyday spoken "Romaic" language was by this point quite similar to modern Greek.