Family Trees - submod for v. 097

[removeduser_28376423423]

It is really an interesting idea, I don't know this part of the game engine well, but a problem I see is that adoption proposals, marriage proposals and child births are managed by the game without any possibility to mod it.
But maybe someone with more knowledge will think of something?

I think it's been already been mentioned that it's limited by the number of settlements, so an aware player could just manage it (first get your royals married, maybe wait for some children, then the rest), the only problem I'd see is if the engine keeps offering marriage to a non-royal while, for example, the faction heir is still unmarried, but I've not experienced that happening in my campaigns. Plus this part is what's already being done by Macaras if I understood well the thread.

My addition would be to further categorize the character types and adjust the traits a bit to keep it all orderly, and maybe also immersive for roleplaying.

[Macaras]

Thanks Macaras, I'm sure it's going to work, could you send me your file instead and I'll merge it with winmerge?

Ok, no problem,here it is, the whole thing, what I changed though was just a descr_strat file..

http://www.mediafire.com/file/j1ulr5dof5w1jhs/FamTree-2-13.zip/file


@ Sindathar - it an interesting idea. However, for now - in my opinion, better to wait until the changes that are being introduced to traits now are working and are tested.. For example the crown system and the usurpers etc probably somehow will have to be adjusted also to different levels of nobility, and probably there are more things like this.
I am not sure also how will it work - having generals who are not in the family tree and how to prevent them from getting married and having children?

[Belovèse]

Ok I understand better what you're thinking, I think! I like your idea, it is very roleplay-oriented, it's already a bit how I like to play, using the bloodline traits and provincial titles for roleplay.

[Belovèse]

Thanks, I didn't realize that I made these mistakes. I just checked it right now, so the problem was that the last name declared was different than used in the "relative" section. The whole thing worked because of receiving the right name from the father. Anyway here is the fix:

1. I am posting whole section, what I changed was the last name from von_Hamburg to von_Hohenstaufen:

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character_record        Heinrich von_Hohenstaufen,     male, age 40, dead 76, never_a_leader
character_record        Agnes de_Poitou,     female, age 52, dead 55, never_a_leader
character_record        HeinrichA von_Hohenstaufen,     male, age 56, dead 26, never_a_leader
character_record        Beatrix von_Hohenstaufen,    female, age 66, dead 22, never_a_leader
character_record        Welf Welf, male, age 69, dead 31, never_a_leader
character_record        Wulfhild von_Sachsen,    female,    age 54, dead 6, never_a_leader
character_record        Heinrich Welf, male, age 51, dead 6, never_a_leader
character_record        Judith Welf,     female, age 32, alive, never_a_leader
character_record        Bertha von_Savoyen, female, age 71, dead 9, never_a_leader
character_record        Agnes von_Hohenstaufen, female, age 59, dead 1, never_a_leader
character_record        FriedrichA von_Hohenstaufen, male, age 55, dead 31, never_a_leader
character_record        Konrad von_Hohenstaufen, male, age 27, dead 31, never_a_leader
character_record        HeinrichB von_Hohenstaufen, male, age 44, dead 7, never_a_leader
character_record        Ida von_Hohenstaufen, female, age 25, alive, never_a_leader
character_record        Matilde von_Hohenstaufen, female, age 30, alive, never_a_leader
character_record        Richenza von_Hohenstaufen, female, age 17, alive, never_a_leader
character_record        Judith von_Bayern,     female, age 30, dead 2, never_a_leader
character_record        FriedrichC von_Hohenstaufen, male, age 11, alive, never_a_leader
character_record        Bertha von_Hohenstaufen, female, age 9, alive, never_a_leader

relative     Heinrich von_Hohenstaufen, Agnes de_Poitou,    Beatrix von_Hohenstaufen,    HeinrichA von_Hohenstaufen,    end
relative    Welf Welf,    Beatrix von_Hohenstaufen,    Heinrich Welf,    end
relative    Heinrich Welf,    Wulfhild von_Sachsen,    Judith Welf,    HeinrichD Welf,    Welf von_Schwaben,    end
relative    HeinrichA von_Hohenstaufen, Bertha von_Savoyen,    Agnes von_Hohenstaufen,    HeinrichB von_Hohenstaufen,    Konrad von_Hohenstaufen,    Ida von_Hohenstaufen,    end
relative    FriedrichA von_Hohenstaufen, Agnes von_Hohenstaufen,    FriedrichB von_Hohenstaufen,    KonradA von_Hohenstaufen,    end
relative    FriedrichB von_Hohenstaufen,    Judith von_Bayern,    FriedrichC von_Hohenstaufen,    Bertha von_Hohenstaufen,    end    
relative    HeinrichB von_Hohenstaufen,    Matilde von_Hohenstaufen,    Richenza von_Hohenstaufen,    end
relative    Lothar von_Supplinburg, Richenza von_Hohenstaufen,    end
relative    Werner von_Habsburg,    Ida von_Hohenstaufen,    end

2,3,4,5. I had to change a lot, so here is the whole section (of_Normandy instead of Beauclerc and Curthose and other things), starting from the first character and finishing with the end of english section:

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character    Henry of_Normandy, named character, male, leader, battle_model king_general, age 64, x 85, y 202 
traits Factionleader 3 , LogisticalSkill 1 , MilitaryInclination 1 , Western_Edu 1, GoodCommander 2 , StrategyChivalry 1, GoodAdministrator 2 , HaveChilds 1 , Fertile 1 , FathersLegacy 1 , ReligionStarter 1 , Royal_Blood_English 1 , KingsAuthority 4
army
unit        NE Bodyguard                exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Norman Cavalry                exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Norman Cavalry    exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Spear Militia                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Spear Militia                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Peasant Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character    Robert of_Gloucester, named character, male, age 42, x 70, y 235 
traits LoyaltyStarter 1 , NaturalMilitarySkill 1 , Western_Edu 1 , MilitaryInclination 1 , GoodCommander 2 , ReligionStarter 1, BattleDread 1 , ReligiousActivity 1 
army
unit        NE Bodyguard                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Norman Cavalry                exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Fyrd Spearmen                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Fyrd Spearmen                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Spear Militia                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Peasant Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character    Reginald of_Cornwall, named character, male, age 34, x 58, y 215 
traits LoyaltyStarter 1 , NaturalMilitarySkill 1 , GovernorInclination 1 , Western_Edu 2 , GoodCommander 1 , InspiringSpeaker 1 , ReligionStarter 1 
army
unit        NE Bodyguard                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Norman Cavalry    exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Fyrd Spearmen                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Fyrd Spearmen                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Peasant Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

; LONDON
character    Stephen de_Blois, named character, male, battle_model heir_general, age 40, x 77, y 216 
traits LoyaltyStarter 1 , ReligionStarter 1 , GovernorInclination 1 , Western_Edu 2 , HaveChilds 1 , StrategyDread 3 , Royal_Blood_English 1 , Usurper 2 , WeakClaimant 1
ancillaries harsh_judge
army
unit        NE Bodyguard                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Norman Cavalry                exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Norman Cavalry    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Fyrd Spearmen                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Spear Militia                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Peasant Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character    Robert, general, male, age 20, x 74, y 228 
army
unit        Dismounted Norman Cavalry    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Fyrd Spearmen                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Fyrd Spearmen                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character    Robert of_Normandy, named character, male, age 78, x 87, y 224 
traits LoyaltyStarter 1 , NaturalMilitarySkill 1 , MilitaryInclination 1 , FathersLegacy 1 , DiscontentGeneral 1 , Royal_Blood_English 1 , ReligionStarter 1 , CrusaderHistory 1 , ReligiousActivity 1
army
unit        NE Bodyguard                exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Fyrd Spearmen                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Fyrd Spearmen                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Spear Militia                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Peasant Archers                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character    Geoffrey Plantagenet, named character, male, age 19, x 73, y 187 
traits LoyaltyStarter 1 , NaturalMilitarySkill 1 , LogisticalSkill 2 , Western_Edu 1 , GoodCommander 1 , WifeIsEnglish 1 , MarriedAPrincess 1 , ReligionStarter 1 , MilitaryInclination 1 , WifeIsFactionHeir 2 
army
unit        NE Bodyguard                exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Norman Cavalry                exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Fyrd Spearmen                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Fyrd Spearmen                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Peasant Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character    Giles, admiral, male, age 20, x 84, y 209 
army
unit        cog                    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character    Lewes, admiral, male, age 25, x 74, y 204 
army
unit        cog                    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character    Richard, spy, male, age 20, x 77, y 230 
traits NaturalSpySkill 1 , GoodSpy 1 

character    Humphrey, spy, male, age 20, x 86, y 202 
traits NaturalSpySkill 2 , GoodSpy 1 

character    Samuel Blacke, merchant, male, age 25, x 129, y 203
traits NaturalMerchantSkill 1 , GoodMerchant 1 

character    Laurence Cranmer, diplomat, male, age 29, x 75, y 218 
traits NaturalDiplomatSkill 1 , GoodDiplomat 1 

character    Anselm of_Canterbury, priest, male, age 40, x 61, y 224 
traits NaturalPriestSkill 3 , StrongFaith 2 , Dogmatic 1 , PriestLevel 1 

character_record        William of_Normandy,     male, age 90, dead 45, never_a_leader
character_record        Matilda,     female, age 90, dead 10, never_a_leader
character_record        Rufus,     male, age 76, dead 32, never_a_leader
character_record        Adela of_Normandy,     female, age 69, dead 1, never_a_leader
character_record        Adelicia,     female, age 53, dead 1, never_a_leader
character_record        Henry de_Blois,     male, age 87, dead 30, never_a_leader
character_record        Matilda of_Normandy,     female, age 30, alive, never_a_leader
character_record        Matilda de_Boulogne,     female, age 27, alive, never_a_leader
character_record        Baldwin,     male, age 6, alive, never_a_leader
character_record        Eustace,     male, age 2, alive, never_a_leader
character_record        William Clinton,     male, age 25, dead 4, never_a_leader
character_record        Sybil,     female, age 55, dead 29, never_a_leader
character_record        William Curthose,     male, age 31, dead 12, never_a_leader
character_record        Henry Plantagenet, male, age 0, alive, current_heir


relative     William of_Normandy,    Matilda,    Robert of_Normandy,    Rufus,    Adela of_Normandy,    Henry of_Normandy,    end
relative     Henry de_Blois,    Adela of_Normandy,    Stephen de_Blois,    end
relative     Stephen de_Blois,    Matilda de_Boulogne,    Baldwin,    Eustace,    end
relative     Henry of_Normandy,    Adelicia,    William Curthose,    Matilda of_Normandy,    end
relative     Geoffrey Plantagenet,    Matilda of_Normandy,    Henry Plantagenet,    end
relative     Robert of_Normandy,    Sybil,    William Clinton,    end

I hope is going to work..

Now it's all good according to bovi's checker, there was just still a Ida von_Hamburg in the file to change to Ida von_Hohenstaufen, line 4925.
By the way the file you sent me, version 2-13, did not have the corrections you talked about in you post, so finally I applied them manually. I was cautious at first because I don't know the file well, but your explanations were very clear! Thanks.

[Macaras]

Sorry Belovese, maybe in the end I copied the wrong file or something.. Good that it works now! Thanks.

[Belovèse]

Well actually I spoke too soon: there is no more errors in bovi's checker, but the game crash on creating a new campaign, with the error in the log: cannot make a lesser character a faction leader.
I think it is because of the copy/paste: if I understand descr_strat correctly (never messed with it until a few days ago) it need tabs in some places, but the TWC posts convert the tabs to spaces.
So, could you reupload your last file, it would be easier for me? Thanks!

[Macaras]

Well actually I spoke too soon: there is no more errors in bovi's checker, but the game crash on creating a new campaign, with the error in the log: cannot make a lesser character a faction leader.

Belovese, in the last few days I installed some updates and fixes from different threads, so regrettably I am really not sure what version am I sending you.. Thing I know is that this time I checked it carefully and also run the bovi's check and the errors are gone.
It were just minor corrections, so I thought maybe lets do like this: if you have a newer version (I just saw Jurand sent a new update), just point it to me and I will fix whatever is there to be fixed about the family tree. This way we will now that we worked on the same update.. ok?

Here is the link: http://www.mediafire.com/file/76uh0r31qwfrrof/FamTree-2-15.zip/file

[Jurand of Cracow]

One historical issue: the guy in Vienna shouldn't have last name von Habsburg. It's 1132

[Macaras]

One historical issue: the guy in Vienna shouldn't have last name von Habsburg. It's 1132

Actually this Werner von Habsburg that appear in family tree corresponds to the real person Werner II count of Habsburg (https://www.geni.com/people/Wernher-...00007331031347 ). He is the son of
Otto II the graf of habsburg, mentioned below. I am not a historian, just took my information from the internet, but the wikipedia speaks about habsburgs :

The house takes its name from Habsburg Castle, a fortress built in the 1020s in present-day Switzerland, in the canton of Aargau, by Count Radbot of Klettgau, who named his fortress Habsburg. His grandson Otto II was the first to take the fortress name as his own, adding "Count of Habsburg" to his title. The House of Habsburg gathered dynastic momentum through the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries. In 1273, Count Radbot's seventh generation descendant Rudolph of Habsburg became Roman-German King.

He was married to Ida of Homberg, but I had to change her last name and make her a daughter of Hohenstaufens (hard coded limitations). Its true they became famous and powerful much later, but I thought its a family important enough to be included

[Jurand of Cracow]

I have no problem with Werner, but with his location. He should be in Basel, not in Vienna.

[Belovèse]

Belovese, in the last few days I installed some updates and fixes from different threads, so regrettably I am really not sure what version am I sending you.. Thing I know is that this time I checked it carefully and also run the bovi's check and the errors are gone.
It were just minor corrections, so I thought maybe lets do like this: if you have a newer version (I just saw Jurand sent a new update), just point it to me and I will fix whatever is there to be fixed about the family tree. This way we will now that we worked on the same update.. ok?

Here is the link: http://www.mediafire.com/file/76uh0r31qwfrrof/FamTree-2-15.zip/file

Yep you're right, that's a better workflow I think. I'll merge you file with the one in the last Jurand version, then send it back to him so we'll all be on the same version! It is time like these I want to learn to use github

[Macaras]

I have no problem with Werner, but with his location. He should be in Basel, not in Vienna.

In this case - that's true, I will changed it.

[george0433]

Here is a new version of my mini mod that fixes separate family trees.. its a version 1.29 from 29th of January 2021.

Changelog:

-Fixed the Cumans, Novgorod, Hungarian, Jerusalem, Spanish, Aragonese, French, Venetian and German separated family trees (sometimes just small modification - like one fictional marriage for Aragon). There is no more factions with separated/hidden family trees! -Changed English family tree according to the idea: https://www.twcenter.net/forums/show...1#post15976433 -Norway, Denmark, Jerusalem, Scotland, Aragon - additional good health traits and armor or shield ancillaries to prevent the family members from dying too early, Cumans - added one family member more so that the faction will be more difficult to destroy, -Novgorod, Venice and Pisa will be more developed in future due to their more complicated republic type governments, for now just fixed the separated trees, -French names more historical according to the list: https://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?808741-Family-Trees&p=15987763&viewfull=1#post15987763 -Hungarian family tree is changed according to the description: https://www.twcenter.net/forums/show...1#post15986748 (also removed "Nembol") -I changed a little bit the location of generals(so the Habsburg is in Austria) + lowered a little the authority of the current German emperor and of course changed the names of the family members, - the princesses and the female characters in the family trees of all the factions- who are alive- are all 35 or younger.

The files work with 0.97 patch G and KCC 0.95.

To install:
1. download the file in the attachment,
2. unpack the data.zip and copy everything inside the data folder,
3. remember to delete the name.txt.strings.bin file that is in ...\mods\ss6.3\data\text folder and then restart the game!

If somebody would like to test this minimod please share your observations..Thanks in advance !!!

You used my idea! I've contributed something other than dribbles to the community. I have arrived. I am proud.


I've payed a lot with he family tree and namings. I think discovering that you could set a child as king or heir and set the age to 0 has been my biggest find so far, but I'm on to something else now. I haven't been able to recreate it yet but I'm pretty sure I was able to give other faction names to characters by setting the sub factions in descr.strat.

Lets say you're England, and you want a character from Norway in your army with a Norwegian name like Magnus Svendsen. You build the character line like normal, but put the <sub_Faction: Norway> in the characters line and you will have an English general named Magnus Svendsen. What I'd like to do next with it is see if adding Svendsen to the names file under England will generate all of his children with the name Svendsen, or if it will still randomize the names as it does when you normally marry outside of the faction. I've tried this with the French Capet line and the KoJ, sending a princess to marry one of the Capets. I can have a Capet in my faction, but if I marry the French one, he still has randomly named children.


Quick question off topic, and point me to the right thread please if there is one, but how does Crusader Kings 3 compare to the SSHIP or M2TW in general? Is there any actual combat or is it all strategy map?

[Macaras]

@george0433: Thank you for the idea! I think its interesting, and so far seems working, nobody complained . I played England few turns killing the family members one after another and it worked well.
Also the one with sub_faction seems very good, I know there are some cases when the wife is from different factions - like in Novogrod's Kristen Ingesdotter. But also...does it mean that I can create a totally new sector for the faction lets say - "strange names" and include them all in the family trees, without their names being picked randomly during the game!? That would almost be too good to be true..

Regarding the Crusader Kings I have no idea, never played it, sorry..