Nazism [Notorious GSC vs Akar] commentary thread

[Miroslav Klose]

The funny thing is that GSC is just gonna win this debate.

[Lysimachus]

It was stronger because of numbers, concentrated defenses, and high morale. It only became actually "Stronger" in 1943 when the Soviets started to gain ground against the Germans again, and that was only due to vast shortages of Infantry and Supplies on the German's part. The Germans still had a chance of winning in 1942 if Hitler hadn't been such an absolute twonk when it came to military planning.

...no they didn't.

One could argue they couldn't win right from the start seeing as there was no way to force the US in to submisson; the most the Germans ever could have done I feel would have been force the war in to a stalemate.

Unless you would mind explaining how Germany could have won in '42

[Dave Strider]

Simple, they just retreated to the defensive lines like Hitler's generals suggested, take time to resupply, rearm, and reorganize their forces, then several months later launch a renewed counteroffensive. Being that close to Moscow, if they timed it right, they could stand a chance to break through and take it.

EDIT: Not likely, but completely possible.

[Heavy Weapons Guy]

It was stronger because of numbers, concentrated defenses, and high morale. It only became actually "Stronger" in 1943 when the Soviets started to gain ground against the Germans again, and that was only due to vast shortages of Infantry and Supplies on the German's part. The Germans still had a chance of winning in 1942 if Hitler hadn't been such an absolute twonk when it came to military planning.

Yes, but I was talking without war, then it would be stronger.

[empr guy]

But so would germany, if Russia was going to invade Germany, then Germany would have had ample time to prepare. Soviet spies and border gaurds noticed the germans ammasing soldiers and equipment on the border, the Germans began fly overs to scout the border, and German personel all left the USSR, (trade vessles, contracted workers, diplomats, etc.). The only reason that the soviets weren't prepared is because Stalin refused to believe it, and was willing to sacrifice huge amounts of materials and stuff to appease Germany and keep the agreement in tact, he even stepped up shipments of materials right before the war to try and show that the pact with the USSR was a good thing.

hitler would never have done the same thing, if the Soviets started a build up of troops on the border (of any significant size, forget about the number the germans had on the border) he would have immediatly moved his army to the border and probably would have counter invaded just because of his contempt for the Russians. Combine that with your mythical German technology achievements and waiting until the Soviets invaded would have been germanys best option.

[Lysimachus]

Simple, they just retreated to the defensive lines like Hitler's generals suggested, take time to resupply, rearm, and reorganize their forces, then several months later launch a renewed counteroffensive. Being that close to Moscow, if they timed it right, they could stand a chance to break through and take it.

EDIT: Not likely, but completely possible.

...what?

After 1941, Germany only had the power to launch an offensive on either the north, centre or south of the Eastern Front. How would having to concentrate their forces in one part of the front while leaving the others weakened help them win the war? All it would do is end up in them stretching themselves thin, the Soviets taking advantage of this and simply attacking the salient on its flanks and encircling the troops caught up in the offensive (e.g. Stalingrad).

['Gunny]

I like GSC's style, If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through

[Derpy Hooves]

This thread is very entertaining. Since I believe in justice and equality, I want to see Notorious' opponents win. But I would like to see both sides of the argument.

[The Holy Pilgrim]

This thread is very entertaining. Since I believe in justice and equality, I want to see Notorious' opponents win. But I would like to see both sides of the argument.

Can't really be considered an argument if neither side looks at each-others posts.

Heck, it can't be considered an argument if neither side proves what they are arguing! It's nothing more than mindless opinions and personal thoughts.

[Akar]

My opinions are all well known facts!

[Lysimachus]

My opinions are all well known facts!

Y'know, if you actually researched the topics you were arguing and provided/quoted sources you'd come across as much more convincing, but as absurd as GSC's views are he's actually coming across as more convincing than you are even though I know he's wrong.

[Turkeys!]

This debate needs moar Pharoah.

[Dave Strider]

...what?

After 1941, Germany only had the power to launch an offensive on either the north, centre or south of the Eastern Front. How would having to concentrate their forces in one part of the front while leaving the others weakened help them win the war? All it would do is end up in them stretching themselves thin, the Soviets taking advantage of this and simply attacking the salient on its flanks and encircling the troops caught up in the offensive (e.g. Stalingrad).

That's why you slowly advance along the entire front, push them back a bit, and re-establish defensive lines a bit further.

[Lysimachus]

That's why you slowly advance along the entire front, push them back a bit, and re-establish defensive lines a bit further.

...whut?

Germany, the nation with a constant manpower shortage can just advance along the entire front and "push them back a bit"?

There was a reason the Germans used Blitzkrieg, that reason being they were always up against either even or greater odds and needed something to balance things out - forming an armoured fist and pushing rapidly in to enemy territory and overturning the enemy's defences while causing chaos in their logistics/supply areas is what made the Germans so successful, more so when they divided their armour in half so that the two rapidly advancing formations could meet "in the middle" so that they could trap large quantities of infantry, vehicles and guns in large pockets.

Honestly Fred, you should try to understand the situation Germany was in in the years prior and during WW2 before saying "they should have done things X, Y and Z" because otherwise it comes across like you have no idea what you're talking about.

[GrnEyedDvl]

Akar, yield to GED so we can see this debate wrapped up

I would like to start from beginning with him.

Anytime.

EDIT: The only thing good to come from the Nazis, is that now we can watch a bunch of movies about killing Nazis.

[Heavy Weapons Guy]

This thread is very entertaining. Since I believe in justice and equality, I want to see Notorious' opponents win. But I would like to see both sides of the argument.

But Nazis like ponies!

Anytime.

EDIT: The only thing good to come from the Nazis, is that now we can watch a bunch of movies about killing Nazis.

I posted this in another thread:
I'm out of this Nazi thang, I'm in Pony thang now. I'll win Akar and then I'm done.

I'm loyal to her now:

['Gunny]

Don't forget all the ww2 FPS games

Quotable Quotes....

But Nazis like ponies!

[GrnEyedDvl]

I posted this in another thread:
I'm out of this Nazi thang, I'm in Pony thang now. I'll win Akar and then I'm done.

Dont wimp out on me now.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

Why the hell have so many people got my little ponys avatars??Its freacking me out...

[SonOfOdin]

Why am I seeing ponies in a debate on Nazism? Huh, this forum never fails to entertain me